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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr><td width="600"><center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroups<br><br>These Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To These Or Any Other<br>Newsgroups. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroups And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center><center><font size="2"><pre><b> User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Subject: Re: Why certain things about telemarketers? Answers to some From: stinky <stinky@chickenvboner.com> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,misc.consumers,alt.consumers.experiences Message-ID: <BB99F353.AF768%stinky@chickenvboner.com> References: <33c45d34.0309251550.6c15d18@posting.google.com> <BB98F8EE.AF55F%stinky@chickenvboner.com> <bl1sbf02909@drn.newsguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:43:45 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:44:51 -0400 in article bl1sbf02909@drn.newsguy.com, SPAMJAMR at Letztalka@aol.com wrote on 9/26/03 1:17 PM: > In article <BB98F8EE.AF55F%stinky@chickenvboner.com>, stinky says... >> >> in article 33c45d34.0309251550.6c15d18@posting.google.com, James W. Anderson >> at jander7@hotmail.com wrote on 9/25/03 7:50 PM: >> >>> Congress has finally overturned the judge in the National DNC list >>> case, and President Bush will likely sign it as soon as he sees it, >>> and that might be tomorrow. >> >> Check the headlines. It was shot down again. This seems to be a cat and >> mouse game that the DMA is playing with the federal court system. >> >> http://www.msnbc.com/news/971734.asp?0cv=CB10 >> > > Quote from the above article: > > “It takes the approach of something like this. ... Ask yourself, is a call > from > a telemarketer trying to sell books any more invasive than call from the > American Cancer Society?” he said. “The government can’t regulate one and not > regulate the other.” > > I have to agree with the judge. Over the last 90 days, in fact since I put my > numbers on the DNC list, I have been getting 2-3 calls per week from > charitable > orgs whereas they were almost non-existant for years prior. > > It would open the door for more charities and politicians to call, and would > probably create an opportunity for scammers to pose as a charitable org to get > around the law. They *already* do that. From: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98342,00.html <fair use> Rick Ratliff, president of U.S. Security, Inc., one of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit challenging the list, said his company laid off half of its 600 employees because of restrictions on telemarketing. "U.S. Security does not sell anything over the phone," he said. "We simply ask for the opportunity to tell someone about the lifesaving benefits of our security and fire systems in a face-to-face meeting." </fair use> If the call wasn't made then no sale would happen, hence it is a solicitation for business. > DNC means DNC, no matter who you are. Unless you are a telemarketer and it doesn't mean anything. I love the DMA's guy whining about "we already had a list" the thing he left out is that you have to send postal mail to some obscure postal address that most people don't know about (which we all know is done on purpose). Most people won't take the time, money to send a letter (not to mention that their address would probably be sold by the DMA). If the DMA really wanted to do their own DNC list they would put it online and/or a toll free number like the FTC did. </b></pre></font><hr width=650><a href=http://www.cyber-spy.com/alt.consumers.experiences-index.html><font size=3>Go Back To The <a href=http://www.cyber-spy.com/>Cyber-Spy.Com</a><br>Usenet Web Archive Index Of<br>The alt.consumers.experiences Newsgroup</font></a><br><br></center></td><img src=http://cyber-spy.com/cgi-bin/livecntr.pl?0+1+unetconsumer width=1 height=1> </tr> </table> </center> <center> <br><center><hr size="3"></center> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" border="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"><small><b><i><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/index.html">Cyber-Spy.Com Live Resources</a></i></b></small></td> <td align="right" valign="top"><small> Copyright Alpha Omega Delta,<br> All rights reserved. </small></td> </tr> </table> <center><hr size="3"></center> <br><br> <br><br></center> </body></html>