From: Robert Baer
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Subject: Re: Tracker implant for children - Real or Fake?
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:20:20 GMT
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Mike Poulton wrote:
> On 08 Sep 2002, Robert Baer said:
> > Mike Poulton wrote:
> >> On 08 Sep 2002, Robert Baer said:
> >> > (1) Absolutely *no* battery needs to be included!
> >> Electrochemical
> >> > energy can be directly derived from the fluids in the body.
> >> That requires that at least one electrode dissociate and go
> >> into
> >> solution. That would put metal ions into the body in high
> >> concentrations, and almost certainly cause local tissue damage.
> >> Furthermore, the current flow would be noticeable and
> >> bothersome. I
> >> don't think the FDA or any other health organization would ever
> >> approve
> >> such a device.
> > ** Metal ions are not needed, and a few microamps max i think would be
> > below noticeable threshold where pain receptors exist, and there are
> > few *inside* the body.
> If you can make a battery that doesn't transfer ions through the
> electrolyte, you will be a rich man. It's not a pain issue, it's a
> tissue damage issue.
> > ** Miles of detection is not necessary, especially for a (semi)
> > stealth transmitter. The desigh tradeoff for "stealth" is a minimum
> > power to achieve specific minimal goals (1=identification,
> > 2=reasonable chance of location in specified area).
> Cell towers are not located every 100 feet! Miles of detection is
> absolutely necessary. We're trying to find people here. If it cannot
> be clearly received by multiple cell towers (for triangulation data) at
> any given time, it is worthless.
> > ** Sorry, this is *not* stealth in any sense.
> > If you want zero power for satellite detection, then use a
> > brilliantly
> > colored, large piece of cloth attached to a hat on the victim.
> > 10 feet square area is the published commercial resolution; i leave
> > it
> > to your imagination as to how much better the actual (military)
> > resolution is.
> Uh, I don't see how that's a response to my comment. I also don't
> understand what you mean by "stealth" any why you're so dedicated to it.
> This is an implant used to locate people by communicating with the
> existing mobile phone networks. Presumably, triangulation would be used
> to determine position. It is NOT a GPS device and has nothing to do
> with any satellite systems.
> Mike Poulton
> MTP Technologies
> Not only do I speak for my company, I AM my company!
> Live free or die!
Sorry that you do not understand.
Say you are a Nazi and want to track "undesirables", but they have a
lot of knowledge and similar technology (radio receivers capable of
monitoring any part of the spectrum).
You want them to *accept* greater, un-constitutional, limits to their
freedom than you previously imposed on them since FDR.
You already tried, a number of times, a universal ID card, AKA "smart
card" and that balloon has not flied too well so far.
So you try another idea: "keep your kids safe". Once a person has a
tracker system imbedded, it is there for life (unless he/she goes to
Mexico to have it removed and stays out of the US from then on).
That tracker system, if it continuously radiates would drain any
So it has to get its power either from the body itself or from a query
source, to be practical (like the dog ID mentioned elsewhere in this
So now all of a sudden, the maximum detection distance is severely
curtailed by spacing of query transmitters and their power; cell phone
technology may do a clandestine location receive, but the query power
appears to be insufficient to activate an implant.
You ask why clandestine?
You do not want any of the radio amateurs that are a part of the
"undesirables" to deduce what you are really doing (how much data, what
kind of data, who is tracked more than "average", etc).
So you use minimal power for actual query, and satellite surveillance
for the rest of the job, supplemented by other means that i will not