From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Bob Wilson)
Subject: Re: American vs foreign electrical parts and installations
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:43:35 -0000
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In article , email@example.com says...
>"Bob Wilson" wrote in message
>> North American plugs and sockets are the worst-designed crap in the
>> Not only are they flimsy, they are dangerous. A bloody embarrassment!
>Yes, they look flimsy, but IMHO are a very cost-effective and reasonably
"Cost effective" is a typical North american tradeoff for safety. They allow
cheap, unsafe, outdated crap like these plugs here, and instead UL and CSA
place all their safety emphasis on forcing manufacturers to include
paragraphs of inane Cautions and Warnings with each product that no one
>Thinking back over 40 years, I don't recall a single instance of getting a
>shock from a plug or outlet, nor any time one has failed and smoked or
>flamed. Not too bad a record.
Read my parallel post about my next door neighbor's 1-year-old that was damn
nearly killed as a result of touching the prongs on one of our plugs. She
still has the scars.
>They're a bit marginal if you need more than 10 amps, but I'd guess 95%+ of
>appliances use less than that. Do we want to burden all devices with the
>cost of a 15 amp connector?
It has nothing to do with current carrying capability. This is a safety
>I agree cutting the square hole is a bit awkward, but that gives you the
>flexibility to cut a 2, 4, 6, or 8 outlet-sized hole. You probably don't
>have that option with a circle.
With Schuko plugs you ALSO can gang them. I have Schuko outlets in my
kitchen here (in Vancouver) for appliances I brought from Germany. Some are
doubles. All you do is cut 2 adjacent holes with a holesaw. Not much to
that! The actual wall plates are rectangular (the doubles and triples are
one long plate). Only the back part fits into the round hole. These things
actually appear to have been designed by an engineer, not a blacksmith!
>In theory, I'd be pleased if the plugs and sockets were more substantial,
>but I wouldnt want to pay 2, 3, 4x as much for them.
Good to see you have your priorities straight. An extra 50 cents for an
outlet really IS a big burden.