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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr> <td width="600"> <center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroup<br>Sci.Electronics.Design<br><br>This Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To This Or Any Other<br>Newsgroup. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroup And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center> <center><font size="2"><pre><b> Reply-To: "Kevin Aylward" <kevin@anasoft.co.uk> From: "Kevin Aylward" <kevin@anasoft.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design References: <r2v0quck1t49vps1nlcfe3jcoprjdm9d74@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Problems with Electronics Workbench Organization: AnaSoft X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Inktomi-Trace: public1-pete2-5-cust19.pete.broadband.ntl.com 1033930269 1771 80.0.216.19 (6 Oct 2002 18:51:09 GMT) Message-ID: <yC%n9.15009$h43.122636@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:51:06 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.224.4 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 19:51:10 BST "Paul Burridge" <pb@notthisbitosiris1.co.uk> wrote in message news:r2v0quck1t49vps1nlcfe3jcoprjdm9d74@4ax.com... > > Hi all, > > Sorry if this has cropped up before, but I've been getting some > totally ridiculous solutions when trying to simulate circuits with EW. > Despite the plaudits heaped upon it by the guy who wrote the manual, I > can't see how one can just throw away the breadboard and rely upon it > solely. You can't in general. Simulation is only a tool. However, 10,000 transistor analogue i.c.s have been designed with 1st pass success on many occasions. The circuit in question was an RF power amp. It didn't even > seem to recognize that 8kv was outside the working scope of a typical > junction transistor's Vceo! Has anyone else had problems in using EW? This particular issue is not related to EWB, and is not considered a "problem" by knowledgeable designers. It is related to the spice models used. Basic spice transistors do not model Vceo breakdown. If you require a more accurate model, you will have to build one up. You seem to be under the are under the impression that that spice knows everything. It don't. You still have to think!. You need to gain an understanding of *any* tools that you are using, whether it is an oscilloscope, side cutters or power supply. For example, you don't expect a real voltage source to be able to supply 10,000 amps, yet you would hardly complain that the 12V HP you bought with an output impedance of 10mohms had a limited current output. You accept that there is some idealizations involved. Kevin Aylward kevin@anasoft.co.uk http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. </b></pre></font><hr width="650"><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/electo-index.html"><font size="3">Go Back To The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a><br>Usenet Web Archive Index Of<br>The sci.electronics.design Newsgroup</font></a><br><br></center></td><img src="http://cyber-spy.com/cgi-bin/livecntr.pl?0+1+unetsci" width="1" height="1" alt="The Cyber-Spy Toolkit - powerful internet spy software - live police scanners - usenet fbi secrets archive - newsgroup spy electronics archive - search engine spy tools - download TCST today!"> </tr> </table> </center> <center> <br><center><hr size="3"></center> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" border="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"><small><b><i><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/index.html">Cyber-Spy.Com Live Resources</a></i></b></small></td> <td align="right" valign="top"><small> Copyright Alpha Omega Delta,<br> All rights reserved. </small></td> </tr> </table> <center><hr size="3"></center> <br><br> <br><br></center> </body></html>