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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr> <td width="600"> <center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroup<br>Sci.Electronics.Design<br><br>This Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To This Or Any Other<br>Newsgroup. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroup And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center> <center><font size="2"><pre><b> From: "dob" <dobelmpk@iol.ie> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design References: <r2v0quck1t49vps1nlcfe3jcoprjdm9d74@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Problems with Electronics Workbench X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <pg0o9.6890$cP3.14604@news.iol.ie> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 19:35:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.203.142.168 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:35:49 BST Organization: Ireland On-Line Customer I consider that Electronic Workbench is an excellent program for visualising circuits - I use it with students and within about 1 hour, from scratch, they can see what is happening with the currents going down through resistors etc. The circuit diagram capture is simple to use in EWB but does not produce anything which could be considered as a professional circuit diagram. The spice simulator is adaquate. All circuit simulator programs are imperfect.. because they are based on simplified mathematical models of the brehaviour of a real physical device in a real world. They will give reasonable approximations to the real thing provided that the model chosen is both realistic and appropriate. The designer must appreciate that the programme for all its sophistication is basically a mathemtical calculator ... One will often find it difficult to get a oscillator to oscillate in EWB or other simulators, while the real thing has no difficulty in bursting into oscillation. The AC analysis progrmme in spice is the one which will particularly allow devices to have incredibly high voltages accross them . this is because it will take the ac small signal model for components and construct the circuit from it. The Transient anaylsis - scope like display is the best in this regard. it may use the DC values. "Paul Burridge" <pb@notthisbitosiris1.co.uk> wrote in message news:r2v0quck1t49vps1nlcfe3jcoprjdm9d74@4ax.com... > > Hi all, > > Sorry if this has cropped up before, but I've been getting some > totally ridiculous solutions when trying to simulate circuits with EW. > Despite the plaudits heaped upon it by the guy who wrote the manual, I > can't see how one can just throw away the breadboard and rely upon it > solely. The circuit in question was an RF power amp. It didn't even > seem to recognize that 8kv was outside the working scope of a typical > junction transistor's Vceo! Has anyone else had problems in using EW? > > P. > -- > > Noverint universi per presentes et futuri... </b></pre></font><hr width="650"><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/electo-index.html"><font size="3">Go Back To The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a><br>Usenet Web Archive Index Of<br>The sci.electronics.design Newsgroup</font></a><br><br></center></td><img src="http://cyber-spy.com/cgi-bin/livecntr.pl?0+1+unetsci" width="1" height="1" alt="The Cyber-Spy Toolkit - powerful internet spy software - live police scanners - usenet fbi secrets archive - newsgroup spy electronics archive - search engine spy tools - download TCST today!"> </tr> </table> </center> <center> <br><center><hr size="3"></center> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" border="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"><small><b><i><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/index.html">Cyber-Spy.Com Live Resources</a></i></b></small></td> <td align="right" valign="top"><small> Copyright Alpha Omega Delta,<br> All rights reserved. </small></td> </tr> </table> <center><hr size="3"></center> <br><br> <br><br></center> </body></html>