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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr> <td width="600"> <center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroup<br>Sci.Electronics.Design<br><br>This Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To This Or Any Other<br>Newsgroup. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroup And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center> <center><font size="2"><pre><b> Message-ID: <3DA09F45.B17E0262@webaccess.net> From: Chuck Simmons <chrlsim@webaccess.net> Organization: You jest. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Basic Stamp vs Pic processors References: <FQEn9.1405$G5.299@fe01> <3da01fbb$0$1293$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> <uqm0quog9qn7mbc3t8ioend4200qd4frka@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:38:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.186.32.134 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 13:38:55 PDT Rich Webb wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:34:19 +0100, "Gary" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Jim > > I will do a bit of flag waving for the PIC. They are easy to use the > >assembly language is not that difficult to learn. There are only 33 > >instructions to remember. There are compilers for C to PIC if you have > >experience in that language as well. I personally find it a good idea to > >flowchart the program first before writing any assembly language code. > >Remember a challenge can be rewarding in it's own right. > > Yes, but... There's only ONE general purpose register, so you end up > shuffling everything through the W reg. Then there are the pages of data > memory, which are different from the banks of program memory (or was > that backwards?) so you have to remember to stroke the bank select bits > if you're doing anything but the most trivial program. > > PICs are ubiquitous but I've found that the AVR family from Atmel (the > ATtiny, AT90, and ATmega chips) have an equivalent range of features and > memory but are MUCH nicer on the assembly programmer. 32 general purpose > registers and 16-bit linear address spaces (program and data, that > Harvard thing). Also, its instruction cycle is one-for-one with the > clock, so the instruction cycle time of a 1 MHz AVR is the same as a 4 > MHz PIC. It's better to be a bit more accurate about AVR and how fast it executes instructions. It is true that the entire arithmetic set is 1 clock cycle, the branching instructions are 1, 2 or 3 depending on AVR model and whether the branch is taken. Taking or returning from an interrupt is 4 clocks. Most data memory reference instructions are 2 cycles. Fetching a byte constant from program memory takes 3 clocks. I find that most of my AVR software runs at about 1.5 clocks per opcode. This comes about because I have to use memory a lot to retain global context in a multiple interrupt environment. Typical applications should averge between 1.1 and 1.6 cycles per opcode. This is actually quite good considering the modest clock frequencies specified. Chuck -- ... The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. ... Macbeth Chuck Simmons chrlsim@webaccess.net </b></pre></font><hr width="650"><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/electo-index.html"><font size="3">Go Back To The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a><br>Usenet Web Archive Index Of<br>The sci.electronics.design Newsgroup</font></a><br><br></center></td><img src="http://cyber-spy.com/cgi-bin/livecntr.pl?0+1+unetsci" width="1" height="1" alt="The Cyber-Spy Toolkit - powerful internet spy software - live police scanners - usenet fbi secrets archive - newsgroup spy electronics archive - search engine spy tools - download TCST today!"> </tr> </table> </center> <center> <br><center><hr size="3"></center> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" border="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"><small><b><i><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/index.html">Cyber-Spy.Com Live Resources</a></i></b></small></td> <td align="right" valign="top"><small> Copyright Alpha Omega Delta,<br> All rights reserved. </small></td> </tr> </table> <center><hr size="3"></center> <br><br> <br><br></center> </body></html>