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From: "Bill Sloman"
Subject: Re: Cell phone emissions
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:37:21 +0200
Organization: Planet Internet
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"JohnS" wrote in message
> "Bill Sloman" wrote in message
> > "News2020" wrote in message
> > news:FiLo9.firstname.lastname@example.org...
> > >
> > > That just makes you a blind supporter of the selected group of
> '> > experts'.
> > A supporter, but not necessarily blind - I wasn't posting anonymously,
> > I do know a little about the issues involved.
> > > Therefore, your own independent opinion on the
> > > postings/writers/subject-matter do not carry any weight - no basis.
> > > one voice among many.
> > I wasn't advancing my own opinion - just pointing out that if you want
> > disagree with The Swedish Radiation Protection Authority and their
> > pair of internationally well-known epidemiologists, Dr. John D. Boice,
> > and Dr. Joseph K. McLaughlin from the International Epidemiology
> > Institute, USA, you have to come up with something more persuasive than
> > feeling of disquiet, which seemed to be the sum total of JohnS's
> Ah! I am only getting about a quarter of the news posts from my ISP
> currently, which adds to the fun. The point I was trying to make was that
> widespread intensive use of mobile phones has existed for too short a time
> to really know whether there will be any long term effects.
It is impossible to prove a negative. But in the absence of any demonstrated
non-thermal interaction between human tissue and cellphone-frequency
radiation, it isn't a risk that anybody knowledgeable is losing any sleep
> I tend to be sceptical about studies purporting to show something is safe.
After all, in
> the UK we were once assured after scientific studies that cows with BSE
> would pose no danger to anyone eating beef.
And there were some very vocal scientists with good scientific credentials
around at the time saying that this involved some very dodgy assumptions.
The Guardian published a few full-page spreads on the subject. Scrapie
doesn't ever seem to have jumped the blood-brain barrier into the human
brain, and the optimists were figuring that BSE would work the same way.
They were almost right. It doesn't seem to be happening all that often, so
> Anyone remember a certain goverment minister feeding burgers to his
children on TV to show his
> confidence in the safety of beef?
Ah. John Selwyn Gummer - one of Thatcher's cabinet ministers. Edwina Curry
got fired from more or less the same job for admitting that a substantial
proportion of the eggs sold to the UK public were contaminated with
samonella bacteria. That job is all about keeping the farmers happy - the
consumer interest is represented by other departments (the National Health
Service in this case).
I don't think anyone here would suggest that you put too much faith a
cabinet minister's opinion - least of all an industry representative in a
right wing administration. Bush on global warming is a good (but not a
> With regard to phones, in my opinion we may need to ask the question of
> safety again in ten years time (Thinks: raising the temperature of brain
> tissue, which has been reported, might even prove to be beneficial. Hmm,
> wonder why no one has spotted the correlation between use of mobiles at
> school and the improving 'A' level results?)
You can ask the question as often as you like. It make it obvious that you
don't know what you are talking about, which is a convenience for the rest
of us, because it gives a measure of your reliability in discussions of less
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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