From: Mark Fergerson
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:45:40 GMT
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Kevin Aylward wrote:
> "Bill Sloman" wrote in message
> > "Kevin Aylward" wrote in message
> > news:3pZr9.email@example.com...
> > > "Mark Fergerson" wrote in message
> > > news:3DB0524E.D882D9B2@cox.net...
> > > > FEerguy9 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > HYPOTHESIS:
> > > > > - The surface area of a trench capacitor plate can be greatly
> > > increased without
> > > > > increasing the perimeter, or the space required to store the
> > > capacitor.
> > > >
> > > > Naive error; plate area is irrelevant.
> > > > What matters is the volume of dielectric
> > > > as that's where the energy is stored.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Look matey, where have you been. We've all decided that we aint
> > > discuss electric thingies in this thread. There's for more important
> > > issue, like falling of ladders for starters.
Hell, I didn't even notice the other
posts until just now. Sorry, don't know
_what_ I was thinking.
> > Kevin, you are losing focus. Frank was on about falling off ladders.
That's OK, one Spaceman called me Paul
in sci.physics. I dunno what either he
or Paul were thinking. Or Kevin, for
> > The falling of ladders just leaves half the population stranded on
> the roof
> > until the wife gets one of the neighbours to set it up again.
Falling _off_ ladders, or falling _of_
ladders? Wait, I just checked that part
of the thread and don't see anything
about ladders, just falling off roofs
(no mention of falling _of_ roofs). So
mass stranding isn't an issue, just
individual injury/deaths. Whew, that's a
Anyway, assuming ladders were indeed
involved in the topic, doesn't the
probability of a given person getting
stranded permanently (or at least long
enough to freeze to death) depend on
whether their neighbors have already had
their ladders fall down and are thus
> > It is difficult to see this as of any particular ecological
> significance -
> > unless it is cold enough that the stranded party freezes to death
> before the
> > ladder can be set up again. Not a big risk, even in Scotland ...
Sorry, didn't mean to anticipate the
I'm thinking the half-life of a given
strandee S will shorten considerably if
their neighbors N are either already
stranded when S goes up to check, or N
get stranded themselves before they can
attempt a rescue of S (that may sound
like a stupid thing to do, but remember
we _are_ discussing people who think
solar panels are the cure-all to an
You might get a cascade effect when
one person notices their neighbor
dangling off their panels in the process
of falling off (without noticing that
the ladder has fallen, if applicable),
and dashes up to check theirs and
suffers the same fate, several neighbors
see _him_ fall, and so on. The last one
up could be stranded (or fall off, as
applicable) fairly quickly depending on
local housing density.
Anyway, there will be a long-term
ecological effect as the number of solar
panels in use declines (they'll still be
there, but many of the previous owners
will have been buried and won't be using
them) and less environmental damage is
done mining all that glass, you see.
> Ah... Scotland, 9 months cold weather, 3 months f'ing cold weather.
There could have been a sort of
inverse phenomenon here in Phx AZ where
(believe it or not) solar water heaters
were briefly popular; death by
heatstroke instead of freezing. I don't
know why they went out of style, but
injury/death statistics associated with
them are suspiciously difficult to
Mark L. Fergerson