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From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Thorsten Brandt)
Subject: Re: Variable Gain Amplifier
Date: 19 Oct 2002 18:10:42 -0700
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Jim Thompson wrote in message news:<email@example.com>...
> On 18 Oct 2002 15:56:22 -0700,
> firstname.lastname@example.org (Thorsten Brandt),
> In Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design,
> Article: <email@example.com>,
> Entitled: "Variable Gain Amplifier",
> Wrote the following:
> |i'm looking for help and information in order to design a variable
> |gain amplifier with the following spec :
> |bandwidth : 1 Ghz
> |continously variable gain from 1 to 50
> Gain-bandwidth product of at least 50GHz ?:-) I don't think so.
well,first i didn't say that it must be a one stage approach, so your
gbw is not applicable in the way you do it, correct ;-) - second, if
you look for examples take a look at the already mentioned AD8367.
by the way - ADI has also a nice differential opamp with a fixed 20db
gain and a BW of 1 GHz - you can also design similar ones for yourself
if you like if you have a foundry with an adequate bicmos-process - so
far concernig GBW ...
> |input imedance : 10kohm/2pf
> |output resistance : 50-100 ohm
> |noise density : < 5nV/Sqrt(Hz)
> |best regards
> |Thorsten Brandt
> You can get < 5nV/rt-Hz at the highest gain, but not at unity gain...
> it will be *much* larger.
ok, that's right - but "*much*" means for a well designed broadband
VGA like the CLC522 from National for example that the input referred
noise density doubles approximately. in this case you will have about
13nV/sqrt(Hz) for unity gain and < 7 nV/sqrt(Hz) for gains from 7 to
100. one might think about an intelligent attenuation and
amplification scheme if this scenario would be the one which would fit
the other requirements ...
from tektronix input amplifiers i heard that the avg. input referred
noise density for the input stage for digitizing oscilloscopes is
around 6 nV/sqrt(Hz). as they have a similar vga in the input stage of
some of their designs AFAIK - i think this constraint shouldn't be out
of range. but of course I'm open to reasonable discussion about this
constraint - if we say 5nV/sqrt(Hz) is unreachable but 10nV/sqrt(Hz)
is - please go ahead and tell me how you would do that with respect to
the other constraints.
> ...Jim Thompson
thanks anyway for your comments - if you have any good design idea -
or can guide me what structure of multilpier, gilbert cell or other
VGA-structure might fit best to my needs with of the shelf components
on a multilayer-board - let me know - i would be very glad ;-)
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