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From: email@example.com (Bill Allison)
Subject: Re: Help - Power mosfets - difficult load
Date: 22 Oct 2002 00:28:03 -0700
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NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 2002 07:28:03 GMT
John Popelish wrote in message news:<3DB47CA5.51C80BFA@rica.net>...
> Bill Allison wrote:
> > John
> > Thanks for your input - responses below...
> > John Popelish wrote in message news:<3DB2C5F9.C89A683B@rica.net>...
> > >
> > > The full blown way to do this whole process is to also sense the motor
> > > average current, take the square root of it (since the torque of a
> > > series wound motor is proportional to the square of current), and
> > > control that value in a closed loop, whose setpoint is the output of a
> > > force control loop based on the line tension measurement.
> Correction, here. Since the torque is about proportional to the
> square of current, you want ot measure the current and square that
> measurement to provide a torque feedback to implement a torque
> > > Then you
> > > tune both PIC controllers (the amplifier that forces the measured
> > > variable to equal the setpoint value) so that both loops operate
> > > stably.
> > >
> > > But back to your fet concerns: I agree that the lead frame on TO220
> > > devices are a bit svelte for 75 amps. At those peak currents, I would
> > > probably go for a heavier package. but stud mounted devices aree impression
> > > expensive and hard to find. I R makes some high current fets in the
> > > SO-227 (big flat pack with screw terminals) rated for 180 ampsin it's
> > > continuous (and 100 volts) but cost $35. Before spending that, would look at devices in the TO-247 (bigger than the TO-220, but
> > > similar) package. For instance, the IRFP064N is rated for 98 amperes
> > > continuous and 55 volts @ $13.20 from Digikey.
> > Thanks John - I'll look into the above
> I got those prices from http://www.digikey.com
> > > You will also need a healthy schottky diode rated for similar current
> > > to act as the clamp across the motor when the fet turns off (unless
> > > you use a second fet as a synchronous rectifier). For instance, the
> > > 175BGQ030 in what they call a PowIRTab package (a TO-220 with the
> > > three leads merged into a sheet of metal) is rated for 175 amperes
> > > continuous at 30 reverse volts and goes for about $6. You will have a
> > > hard time blowing that on a brief overload.
> > Now I suspect i'm going to show my ignorance / inexperience... I was
> > under the impression (from the IRF app notes / spec sheets) that the
> > mosfet's integral avalanche capability via the p-n diode which is
> > inherent in it's construction was capable of safely passing approx the
> > same current as rated in the forward direction?
> The fet is in series with the motor, but the schottky diode should be
> in parallel with the motor, to carry the current when the fet opens.
> This allows the inductance of the motor to act as a current fly wheel
> to average the on voltage and off voltage over a pulse period.
> Without the parallel diode, the motor inductance will produce large
> voltage across the fet and destroy it. The fet body diode is no help
> here, since the motor inductive voltage adds to the battery voltage,
> rather than reversing it.
Ah - right, I'm with you now. Thanks for the link.
> Take a look at the standard buck switching regulator (the motor fills
> in as both the regulator inductor and load resistance):
> You will also have to pay attention to filtering the ripple current on
> the battery to keep noise and losses low.
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