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From: Chuck Simmons
Organization: You jest.
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Subject: Re: Questions on EE job market.
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:08:31 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:08:31 PST
Kevin Aylward wrote:
> "Chuck Simmons" wrote in message
> > Kevin Aylward wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets face the facts. The miltary is about dumb arses, who save our
> > > arses, that blindly do what they are told, roll about in shit and
> > > guns to kill people. The mentality of a marine is nothing like that
> > > an engineer. The very suggestion leads to the idea that you aint cut
> > > to be an engineer at all.
> > Are you trolling or what? Trolling I think.
> Seeing the fact as the facts are.
> >There are technical
> > positions in the military that can give valuable experience. I would
> > never say that military experience is without value out of hand. I
> > to know what it is to judge its value.
> This is a statistical judgement. Sure, there are always exceptions,
> however, grasping at straws should not be plan A.
It is true that my knowledge of the military is slightly stale in that I
left the service 33 years ago and I was in at a time when the draft
(conscription) was in force (that was how I got into the military BTW).
As I say. It was a very mixed bag. I had a rather nice job in a
technical unit that I did from the time I arrived at station until I
returned home more than two years later. My work was very similar to the
work I had been doing as a civilian so I was quite comfortable with it.
I will give you a point that there are idiots in the military. I once
received an oder by phone from a captain to do something of a military
sort at the site where I worked. I decided it was best not to inform the
captain that he was an idiot but rather find a ranking officer to
countermand the captain's order which I knew to be in violation of
treaty. I eventually tracked down a major by phone who listened to my
problem, asked me precisely how treatening the goats in the field seemed
and ordered me to forget the captain. Something I very much wanted to
However, it would be very unfair of me to characterize officers in
general as idiots like the captain. The colonel in command several times
dropped interesting technical problems in my lap. He knew about me from
his staff meetings attended by the sergeant over me and he eventually
figured out where I lived illegally off post. Since to him, getting the
job done was more important than arbitrary rules, he even once made a
point of saying in staff meeting he knew where I and my roommates lived.
This protected us from trouble from lower ranking sticklers for rules.
For a technical person, particularly an engineer, the military may offer
a kick start to a career. It was an annoying PIA for me but I was
already moving forward as a civilian and didn't need the low pay and
working in isolated conditions 10,000 miles from home. This is not the
case for everyone and you are being rather narrow in you view.
... The times have been,
That, when the brains were out,
the man would die. ... Macbeth
Chuck Simmons firstname.lastname@example.org
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