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From: Spam Hater
Subject: Re: Questions on EE job market.
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NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:53:08 EST
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:53:08 GMT
Grain of salt, Chuck. Take it with a grain of salt.
The comment is from a country where their marine's biggest and best
was sunk by a bunch of sheep ranchers.
< nomex on ;>
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:08:31 GMT, Chuck Simmons
>Kevin Aylward wrote:
>> "Chuck Simmons" wrote in message
>> > Kevin Aylward wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Lets face the facts. The miltary is about dumb arses, who save our
>> > > arses, that blindly do what they are told, roll about in shit and
>> > > guns to kill people. The mentality of a marine is nothing like that
>> > > an engineer. The very suggestion leads to the idea that you aint cut
>> > > to be an engineer at all.
>> > Are you trolling or what? Trolling I think.
>> Seeing the fact as the facts are.
>> >There are technical
>> > positions in the military that can give valuable experience. I would
>> > never say that military experience is without value out of hand. I
>> > to know what it is to judge its value.
>> This is a statistical judgement. Sure, there are always exceptions,
>> however, grasping at straws should not be plan A.
>It is true that my knowledge of the military is slightly stale in that I
>left the service 33 years ago and I was in at a time when the draft
>(conscription) was in force (that was how I got into the military BTW).
>As I say. It was a very mixed bag. I had a rather nice job in a
>technical unit that I did from the time I arrived at station until I
>returned home more than two years later. My work was very similar to the
>work I had been doing as a civilian so I was quite comfortable with it.
>I will give you a point that there are idiots in the military. I once
>received an oder by phone from a captain to do something of a military
>sort at the site where I worked. I decided it was best not to inform the
>captain that he was an idiot but rather find a ranking officer to
>countermand the captain's order which I knew to be in violation of
>treaty. I eventually tracked down a major by phone who listened to my
>problem, asked me precisely how treatening the goats in the field seemed
>and ordered me to forget the captain. Something I very much wanted to
>However, it would be very unfair of me to characterize officers in
>general as idiots like the captain. The colonel in command several times
>dropped interesting technical problems in my lap. He knew about me from
>his staff meetings attended by the sergeant over me and he eventually
>figured out where I lived illegally off post. Since to him, getting the
>job done was more important than arbitrary rules, he even once made a
>point of saying in staff meeting he knew where I and my roommates lived.
>This protected us from trouble from lower ranking sticklers for rules.
>For a technical person, particularly an engineer, the military may offer
>a kick start to a career. It was an annoying PIA for me but I was
>already moving forward as a civilian and didn't need the low pay and
>working in isolated conditions 10,000 miles from home. This is not the
>case for everyone and you are being rather narrow in you view.
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