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Reply-To: "Kevin Aylward"
From: "Kevin Aylward"
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Subject: Re: Questions on EE job market.
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
> Kevin Aylward wrote:
> > Unfortunately, you are incorrect here. I have spent over 10 years in
> > US and am indeed a naturalized US citizen. I naturalized in 1991.
> > Secondly, your description here, with all due respect to your
> > capabilities, is one of a technician, repairing things, maintenance
> > so forth. I have been giving my opinion based on the posters desire
> > B.S. in Electronic Engineering. This implies design and development
> > hardware and software systems at of a much higher level of technical
> > expertise. To my knowledge, this sort of work is not undertaken in
> > services. As I have already noted, my informatiion is that the
> > of this work gets done by government contractors such as Northrop,
> > General Dynamics, Hughes, Boeing etc.
> So the couple guys I served with who had EE degrees wasted their
> time? One was interested in power generation and management, and
> at the power plant at Ft greely Alaska. The other worked in crypto,
> couldn't talk about his job.
Do you not know what "majority" means?
> Are you trying to tell me that all defense contractors write their
> own specs, then get the government to just write a check? BULLSHIT!
> worked at the cold weather test site, and the military routinely sent
> their engineers there to test products and equipment they were
> interested in. Some were civilian, and others were in the military.
> So, you "naturalized in 1991"? You are probably still too old to
> join the military,
44, 4 weeks ago.
>and because of this you have no way of knowing
> anything about how it really works.
I know how its done in the commercial world, and what the commercial
looks for. Whether or not the commercial world has an incorrect view of
the military world is not relevant. Its what it is that matters, not
what you wish it to be. The original request was whether or not a
military background was of interest to commercial companies. imo, based
on experiance, in general, it is not.
The military is involved in a lot
> of research, and I'm sorry for you that you can't see it due to your
> bigotry towards anyone in the military.
It nothing to do with bigotry, its telling it how it is. Do you suggest
that say, 90% of those with BS degrees in the military are really
*doing* *design* and *development* in hardware and software, in areas
that commercial companies are actually interested in?
> Most of the Electrical
> Engineers I have worked with were in electronics in the service. Some
> just went to get their military commitment out of the way, some joined
> to get the money to pay for their degree. Every year I worked for a
> defense contractor EVERYONE had to fill out forms for the government
> show if they served.
And this indicates what?
>I also worked for four years a "Engineer to order"
> company who had to deal directly with the military, NASA, and large
> universities. We built custom telemetry receiving equipment and
> systems. Most of the engineers had served in the military which
> them understand how the military mind worked. most of the techs were
> GIs, as well.
> I used to read your postings with respect and interest, but with
> attitudes I am beginning to pity you.
Attitude has nothing to do with it. My opinion is based on a statistical
belief of the facts. Sure, there might be a few military here and there
doing something of note for the commercial world, but *exceptions* are
not the optimum base with which to give advice. The reality is, the
*majority* of the military don't have the design and development
background that is desired for commercial companies, excepting the
technician, repair, support type roles. Its just the way is.
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