Reply-To: "Kevin Aylward"
From: "Kevin Aylward"
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Subject: Re: Questions on EE job market.
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:52:11 -0000
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"Chuck Simmons" wrote in
> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> > Kevin Aylward wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, you are incorrect here. I have spent over 10 years
> > > US and am indeed a naturalized US citizen. I naturalized in 1991.
> > >
> > > Secondly, your description here, with all due respect to your
> > > capabilities, is one of a technician, repairing things,
> > > so forth. I have been giving my opinion based on the posters
desire of a
> > > B.S. in Electronic Engineering. This implies design and
> > > hardware and software systems at of a much higher level of
> > > expertise. To my knowledge, this sort of work is not undertaken in
> > > services. As I have already noted, my informatiion is that the
> > > of this work gets done by government contractors such as Northrop,
> > > General Dynamics, Hughes, Boeing etc.
> > So, you "naturalized in 1991"? You are probably still too old to
> > join the military, and because of this you have no way of knowing
> > anything about how it really works. The military is involved in a
> > of research, and I'm sorry for you that you can't see it due to your
> > bigotry towards anyone in the military. Most of the Electrical
> > Engineers I have worked with were in electronics in the service.
> > just went to get their military commitment out of the way, some
> > to get the money to pay for their degree. Every year I worked for a
> > defense contractor EVERYONE had to fill out forms for the government
> > show if they served. I also worked for four years a "Engineer to
> > company who had to deal directly with the military, NASA, and large
> > universities. We built custom telemetry receiving equipment and
> > systems. Most of the engineers had served in the military which
> > them understand how the military mind worked. most of the techs were
> > GIs, as well.
> > I used to read your postings with respect and interest, but with
> > attitudes I am beginning to pity you.
> Perhaps, then, you realize that Kevin is not necessarily
> of British engineers. I'm currently working with a couple of British
> engineers who I have known for about twenty years. We were all three
> the hard disk industry and even after all three of us left DEC, we
> bumped into one another at a couple of different companies. We are
> together at one company yet again only doing integrated circuits this
> time. They lack Kevin's narrow view. Kevin would accuse them of being
> hopelessly Americanized. I suppose they are. After all, nobody made
> stay and raise their children here.
> Of course, the OP wanted to know if military experience counted or if
> military service was prejudicial in some way. In my experience,
> service tends to be a minor plus. This is true in spite of very
> unpopular military operations in the past. Actual experience from the
> military is counted for what it is worth to the job which is fair.
> Certainly in many engineering areas, an engineer is as much a
> as an engineer. In my current project, I did the entire specification
> for my part and much of the software design from 800 miles away. When
> chips were well on their way, I moved here to become a lab rat and
> the stuff work.
> A couple of years ago, I interviewed at a company in the People's
> Republic of Boulder, CO. At that company, had I accepted the job, my
> office furniture would have included a desk, a table and a workbench
> with full ESD setup. The style at that company was for engineers to
> their office double as a lab. Clearly this company expected engineers
> be skilled technicians as well as engineers.
Whilst, an engineer certainly has to on occasions, get his hands dirty,
I would never work for companies like this, although I have in the past.
> The trend toward very lean engineering groups often lacking a
> makes military experience valuable even if it is not precisely
> and development.
> In many ways, Kevin impresses me as an engineer who lives in nearly
> total isolation.
Its quite the opposite. Because I am aware of, and state the facts as
they really are, its a case of shoot the messenger of bad news. What a
hiring manager wants to see is someone who has done exactly what he
wants doing, at a prior company. This makes it difficult enough for
perfectly capable people, but with specific experience in different but
>It seems he would have been shocked to hear our lead
> logic designer offering to help me yesterday when I was looking at
> loading some 805 size parts on an analog board. He's a lot younger
> I and can see a bit better.
I would agree, that probably about 95% of engineers went into their
electronics degree and jobs, with absolute zero practical experience, so
I'm certainly surprised the logic designer knows what a real component
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