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From: email@example.com (john jardine)
Subject: Re: NEED A TRANSFORMER - WE MANUFACTURER
Date: 6 Nov 2002 06:42:24 -0800
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John Woodgate wrote in message news:...
> I read in sci.electronics.design that Spam Hater
> wrote (in ax.com>) about 'NEED A TRANSFORMER - WE MANUFACTURER', on Tue, 5 Nov
> >Bob speaks the truth. (Probably wisdom gained from direct
> >Reminds me of a fight I had with an auditor:
> >Me: I need to change this module.
> >Auditor: You can't. That's been tested and certified.
> >Me: But if I change it, it won't fail at the customer's site, and
> >they will buy the product.
> >Auditor: Sorry. No can do.
> >Me: But it's -broken-. It doesn't work!
> >Auditor: Bye-bye.
> >On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:56:21 -0000, firstname.lastname@example.org
> >(Bob Wilson) wrote:
> >>No it doesn't. All you need to do to pass ISO9001 is to do and document what
> >>you say you are going to do. If you establish a business whose aim is to
> >>manufacture absolutely unreliable crap, you can get ISO certified to do just
> >>that (and if you, by mistake, erroneously make quality goods, your ISO9001
> >>certificate will be revoked). :)
> This, and similar anecdotes in this thread, indicates to me that there
> is a large number of poorly-trained assessors at loose. There is nothing
> in ISO 9000 that says that 'Common sense is repealed'.
Yes but! ... there in nothing in ISO 9000 that actually says anything
at all. It can be read as meaning all things to all men and is a
wonderful example of the Egyptolygists mastery of the the English
I first realised that something was sadly amiss with this (as was) DTI
backed, BS/ISO QC sytem when the 'consultants' (part funded by a DTI
grant) started talking to me about the size and type of paper I was
using for design purposes. Apparently fag packets and used computer
printout weren't really acceptable ... (they were soon down the road
The craziness is that the emotive engineering word "Quality" has been
allowed to be attached, to what is in reality, an office workers idea
of what a production sequence or procedure should be. Quality is
accidental and more likely irrelevant.
As stated earlier. You promise to make concrete life jackets. You
document the procedure to make concrete life jackets. If as a result
of your efforts some poor sod actually floats after a shipwreck then
your certification can be removed.
All is not lost though, as you can now pull the QC paper trails from
storage, to find who is to take the blame for this cockup.
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