From: "Jim Y"
Subject: Re: The need for a well rounded education
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:17:29 GMT
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James, reading your outburst reminded me of a T-shirt that I have.
It states, "I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong."
What it really means is none of us is perfect no matter what our field
of expertise or level of education. I say that from experience and
the fact that I am retired having the years to support the statement.
Whether you accept it or not, all fields of knowledge have a position
in life. I enjoy Rock'n'Roll and I enjoy Classical music, two extremes.
As I Professional Engineer, I enjoy creating new ways of doing things,
but I also enjoy dreaming with Science Fiction. Jules Verne created
fictional stories, several of which are now reality. You must balance
your interests in many directions and consider how you can best
use those interests to enjoy life and to earn a living based on your
abilities. Science is not everything, but neither are the humanities.
Many individuals acquire that balance *after* leaving school when they
realize there are other things in life besides their chosen field of
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
> "James Llort" wrote in message
> > I'm concerned about the narrowm view of the world 'hard' science
> > students have these days.
> Why not tell it like it is? There's a tendency for all people,
> college students or not, to have an unecessarily and harmful narrow
> view of reality. Simplifying things can make thing seem easier, at
> least in the short run. And, narrowing the point of view can
> temporarily be an effective analytical and rhetorical methodology.
> However, picking out any particular group of students is in itself,
> an artificial narrowing. So James, what benefit do you propose to
> provide with this artificially narrow viewpoint that you have set up
> for yourself?
> >I think the problem starts at college -
> > There's a culture that somehow science is more rational and
> > usefull then the humanitities.
> There's another culture that likes to pretend that the humanities are
> somehow more useful and relevant than the sciences and the arts.
> > Lecturers encourage students to
> > joke about arts students, and humilaite them whenever possible.
> Speaking of jokes and efforts to humiliate science students, don't
> you think that this is waht you are perpetrating here, James?
> > This encourages eliteism, and I for one am sick of it.
> Yes James, I'd say that your hypocritical efforts to set up an elete
> that demeans science students is sickening.
> > Let's tell it like it is. 'science' is just as much about opinion
> > as the humanities.
> Yes, I have this opinion that Force equals Mass times Acceleration.
> Where might I have come up with that?
> James let's be very factual here. Science and Math seems to be simple
> enough, and pursued long enough that it has some very hard and fast
> rules. These rules hold in all practical situations where they apply,
> and they predict a vast number of very useful things with extreme
> precision. In contrast, there are no such rules in the studies of the
> humanities. You can't say that all frustrated Jewish artists are
> going to become world leaders and precipitate the most destructive
> war of all time. In the humanities the entities are far more complex
> and the interactions aren't nearly as simple and predictable as they
> are in the sciences.
> > Research simply follows the fad of the day.
> True for both the sciences and the humanities.
> > Take dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that
> > just because they have degree in medical science that they are
> > all knowing.
> This is not even a bad joke, James. I know some dieticians and they
> are completely aware of the fallibilites of their sciences and their
> > Why, what they recommend one day may kill you the
> > next! (see the DDT story for more information.) Science is 95%
> > opinion then facts, lets face it. What about astrology, the most
> > rediculious of the sciences! But I degress...
> You're not serious about this James, are you.
> > Another example is music. We know what sounds good.
> Is that a glaring false premise or what?