From: "Trevor Wilson"
Subject: Re: The need for a well rounded education
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:41:52 +1100
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"James Llort" wrote in message
> I'm concerned about the narrowm view of the world 'hard' science
> students have these days. I think the problem starts at college -
> There's a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull
> then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts
> students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages
> eliteism, and I for one am sick of it.
**Fair enough. Such as it has always been. I recall chatting to a friend,
who builds loudspeakers, some time ago. He was complaining about his
sister-in-law, who is an artist. He complained of her inability to think
things through, her irrational thought patterns and her inability to support
herself. I gently reminded him that artists, just like his sister-in-law
(muscians) actually allowed his speaker building business to be viable.
Without artists, our lives would be all the poorer.
> Let's tell it like it is. 'science' is just as much about opinion as
> the humanities. Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take
> dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because
> they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why,
> what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story
> for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face
> it. What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I
**Astrology is not a science.
> Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed
> that Valves for instance sound great.
**No. SOME amplifiers, which use valves, sound neutral (accurate). Some do
not. There is certainly no concensus that valves sound great.
But knowitall engineers use
> trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks.
**Some engineers use transistors, because they can provide superior levels
of performance. ie: They sound better.
> They argue with numbers. Hey, I don't want to do maths just to listen
> to music. I know what I like. You cannot apply objective reasoning to
> a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those
> recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all
**Utter nonsense. The specifications of a piece of equipment can, largely,
tell us what that equipment sounds like.
> The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist.
> Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow
> minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities
> are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually
> interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes
> me so mad when people say "oh, he's doing a humanities degree, that's
> easy". I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average.
**The really scarey thing about all your reading, is that you can't
> books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is
> improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the
> technical. As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" ,
> I'm going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I'll be line for tenure
> where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or
> an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get
> my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply
> whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great
> things were done by humanities.
**Nonsense. Electronic engineering is still operating on ideas which were
formulated in the 19th century.
> You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should
> learn to enjoy life.
**Some of us do.
> Peace be to god, he transcends all.
**There is no God. 'God' is a construct of human beings. Those of with even
a modicum of intelligence are aware of this fact.