From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Stewart Pinkerton)
Subject: Re: The need for a well rounded education
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:19:40 GMT
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On 19 Dec 2002 00:52:48 -0800, email@example.com (James Llort)
>I'm concerned about the narrowm view of the world 'hard' science
>students have these days. I think the problem starts at college -
>There's a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull
>then the humanitities.
It is, by definition - that's what it's *for*.
>Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts
>students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages
>eliteism, and I for one am sick of it.
Actually, the arts lecturers would encourage people to sneer at
someone who couldn't spell 'humiliate' or 'elitism'............
>Let's tell it like it is. 'science' is just as much about opinion as
No, it isn't.
> Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take
>dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because
>they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why,
>what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story
>for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face
No, dieticians are frequently commercially driven assholes. This does
not affect science per se, and audio engineering in particular.
>What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I
Clearly, you have no idea what is science, and what is idiocy!
Incidentally, you digress..................
>Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed
>that Valves for instance sound great.
No, a *tiny* minority like the characteristic euphonic distortions of
poorly designed valve amps - not the same thing.
> But knowitall engineers use
>trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks.
>They argue with numbers. Hey, I don't want to do maths just to listen
>to music. I know what I like.
Yes, - but you don't know *why* you like it.
> You cannot apply objective reasoning to
>a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those
>recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all
What's up, doc? Did you drop out of a hard science degree because it
turned out a little too hard for you? :-)
>The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist.
Well, we can certainly *spell* elitist...........................
>Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow
>minded views that collage should be a job training centre,
No, a collage is definitely art.....................
>are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually
>interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek.
Actually, humanities start with the proper use of English.............
> Really, it makes
>me so mad when people say "oh, he's doing a humanities degree, that's
Tough shit. People say that because it's true...................
> I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average.
Awwwwww, poor baby! Some of us actually had to *understand* 3 or 4
highly technical books a week!
> Not picture
>books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is
>improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the
You have no idea how you just fired both barrels of an elephant gun
into your feet!
> As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" ,
>I'm going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I'll be line for tenure
>where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or
Um, what was that about improved grammar and spelling skills?
> Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get
>my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply
>whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great
>things were done by humanities.
If you think that an MCSE qualification has *anything* to do with
*real* engineering, then I can see how you completely fail to
understand the subject! BTW, exactly what 'great things' were *ever*
done by someone with a 'humanities' degree?
>You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should
>learn to enjoy life.
Speaking for myself, I do. You should learn English.
>Peace be to god, he transcends all.
Well He might, if He existed.....................
Further, if God existed, she would be an Arab............
Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering