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From: "Rod Speed"
References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <3E04D993.5168868C@mfi.net> <3E04F868.892F5BF5@yahoo.com> <3E053E5B.FCF38347@mfi.net> <3E05CC22.email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <1ftN9.email@example.com> <4vvN9.firstname.lastname@example.org> <_AwN9.email@example.com> <3E0737E1.A3447A5C@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mail Box
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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:02:57 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:02:57 EST
Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au)
"rickman" wrote in message news:3E0737E1.A3447A5C@yahoo.com...
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > Richard Henry wrote in message
> > news:W7AN9.firstname.lastname@example.org...
> > > Rod Speed wrote
> > >> Pity I rubbed your silly little noses in the FACT that the original
> > >> claim that there was any US FEDERAL LEGISATION that says
> > >> you cant put a snake in a mailbox is just plain wrong.
> > > Snake in a mailbox? Like the synanon thing?
> > Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
> > predicament MUCH better than that pathetic effort Henry.
> > > I thought the original claim was that it was
> > > illegal to place anything but mail in a mailbox.
> > That was just one of the claims, and no US
> > FEDERAL LEGISLATION says anything like that.
> I suspect that you are not aware of how US law works.
You're wrong. And thats completely irrelevant anyway when I just said
that those who claimed that that was FEDERAL LAW cant actually cite
the FEDERAL LAW that says anything like what they claimed.
Yes, there is indeed a relevant FEDERAL LAW. Pity that its
MUCH more restricted than the original claimants claimed,
TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 83--POSTAL SERVICE
Sec. 1725. Postage unpaid on deposited mail matter
Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as
statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on
which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved,
or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail
matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage
thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.
Thats clearly referrring to 'on deposited mail matter', which clearly
doesnt cover stuff like snakes left in mailboxes to scare the mailbox
owner, or even notifications of local events left in the mailbox so they
dont blow away rather than knocking on the door and handing them
to who answers etc. And that 'with intent to avoid payment of lawful
postage thereon' is absolutely crucial to what that law proscribes.
It clearly isnt applicable to a snake in a mailbox which cant even
be legally posted anyway.
> Here the various departments of the US government have been
> granted authrity by the US congress of making rules and
> regulations within their domain that carry the weight of law.
Thats completely irrelevant to the original claim about federal
law. That aint federal law, thats REGULATIONS, just like the
detail on how things should be packed when being sent by post
are etc. That aint federal law. Thats just detailed regulations.
> Just like the IRS can make rules about your taxes that are
> upheld by the courts as law, the USPS makes regulations
> about mail boxes that *are* law. So the URL that was posted,
> shows some of the relevant law concerning putting non-mail in
> "letterboxes or other receptacles". Its not just a good idea, its the law!
Wrong. Just like the packing detail isnt
federal law, its just one of the USPS details.
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