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Subject: Re: Mail Box
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:08:00 -0500
Organization: Arius, Inc
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Rod Speed wrote:
> "rickman" wrote in message news:3E0737E1.A3447A5C@yahoo.com...
> > Rod Speed wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Henry wrote in message
> > > news:W7AN9.firstname.lastname@example.org...
> > > > Rod Speed wrote
> > >
> > > >> Pity I rubbed your silly little noses in the FACT that the original
> > > >> claim that there was any US FEDERAL LEGISATION that says
> > > >> you cant put a snake in a mailbox is just plain wrong.
> > >
> > > > Snake in a mailbox? Like the synanon thing?
> > >
> > > Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
> > > predicament MUCH better than that pathetic effort Henry.
> > >
> > > > I thought the original claim was that it was
> > > > illegal to place anything but mail in a mailbox.
> > >
> > > That was just one of the claims, and no US
> > > FEDERAL LEGISLATION says anything like that.
> > I suspect that you are not aware of how US law works.
> You're wrong. And thats completely irrelevant anyway when I just said
> that those who claimed that that was FEDERAL LAW cant actually cite
> the FEDERAL LAW that says anything like what they claimed.
> Yes, there is indeed a relevant FEDERAL LAW. Pity that its
> MUCH more restricted than the original claimants claimed,
> TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
> PART I--CRIMES
> CHAPTER 83--POSTAL SERVICE
> Sec. 1725. Postage unpaid on deposited mail matter
> Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits any mailable matter such as
> statements of accounts, circulars, sale bills, or other like matter, on
> which no postage has been paid, in any letter box established, approved,
> or accepted by the Postal Service for the receipt or delivery of mail
> matter on any mail route with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage
> thereon, shall for each such offense be fined under this title.
> Thats clearly referrring to 'on deposited mail matter', which clearly
> doesnt cover stuff like snakes left in mailboxes to scare the mailbox
> owner, or even notifications of local events left in the mailbox so they
> dont blow away rather than knocking on the door and handing them
> to who answers etc. And that 'with intent to avoid payment of lawful
> postage thereon' is absolutely crucial to what that law proscribes.
> It clearly isnt applicable to a snake in a mailbox which cant even
> be legally posted anyway.
> > Here the various departments of the US government have been
> > granted authrity by the US congress of making rules and
> > regulations within their domain that carry the weight of law.
> Thats completely irrelevant to the original claim about federal
> law. That aint federal law, thats REGULATIONS, just like the
> detail on how things should be packed when being sent by post
> are etc. That aint federal law. Thats just detailed regulations.
> > Just like the IRS can make rules about your taxes that are
> > upheld by the courts as law, the USPS makes regulations
> > about mail boxes that *are* law. So the URL that was posted,
> > http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm/d041.htm
> > shows some of the relevant law concerning putting non-mail in
> > "letterboxes or other receptacles". Its not just a good idea, its the law!
> Wrong. Just like the packing detail isnt
> federal law, its just one of the USPS details.
As I said, you don't understand US law. All regulations made by the
USPS are law. It is that simple. If you violate them you can be
punished and depending on the regulation, you can even go to jail. If
you want to make some distinction about how the laws were made, then
feel free. But they are still law and you are still wrong. No matter
how much you rant and rave, or even insult and swear at people, you are
Rick "rickman" Collins
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