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This Web Archive Of The Newsgroup And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center> <center><font size="2"><pre><b> From: "Phil Allison" <bilup@bigpond.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.misc References: <c90f0vc828au5rtcguq115hl54m4bjlshr@4ax.com> <NBON9.9069$jM5.25963@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> <w3QN9.154501$6k.2538786@news1.west.cox.net> <l1kf0v0qg95soc6ut63m9aornk7j8nodrg@4ax.com> <3E08564F.F1FFF559@bigpond.net.au> <auacrv$ojr$1@reader11.wxs.nl> Subject: Re: What's going on in Australia? X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <4N5O9.9525$jM5.27136@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:19:36 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.141.137 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:07:44 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:auacrv$ojr$1@reader11.wxs.nl... > > "onestone" <onestone@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message > news:3E08564F.F1FFF559@bigpond.net.au... > > Jim Thompson wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:58:36 GMT, > > > "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>, > > > In Newsgroup: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, > > > Article: <w3QN9.154501$6k.2538786@news1.west.cox.net>, > > > Entitled: "Re: What's going on in Australia?", > > > Wrote the following: > > > > > > | > > > |"Phil Allison" <bilup@bigpond.com> wrote in message > > > |news:NBON9.9069$jM5.25963@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > > > |> > > > |> "Jim Thompson" <Jim-T@analog_innovations.com> wrote in message > > > |> news:c90f0vc828au5rtcguq115hl54m4bjlshr@4ax.com... > > > |> > > > |> > Apparently some Aussie scammer ("...a schemer given to stock scams, > > > |> > money laundering and fraud") is suing Dow Jones for defamation: > > > |> > > > |> > > > |> ** That is the claim made in the defamatory article about > Joseph > > > |> Gutnik. > > > |> It is not a proven fact. Mr Gutnik is suing Dow Jones > over > > > |that > > > |> claim. > > > |> It would be wise to wait for the outcome before deciding > he is > > > |a > > > |> guilty man. > > > |> > > > |> Only jerks go around repeating defamations of people. > > > |> > > > | > > > |Where you live, is calling someone a "jerk" defamatory? > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > > > > In the USA, for a "public figure" to be defamed, you must prove > > > malice. Thus we have basically no libel or slander cases claimed by > > > "public figures". > > > > > > I don't know about malice, and have only seen one Australian news report > > on the subject, but accusing someone, who is a highly successful and > > generally respected businessman in this country, > > The list of previously highly successful and generally respected Australian > businessmen who now reside in her Majesty's prisons is quite long and highly > entertaining. ** The most famous in Australia was Alan Bond - a "ten pound pom" ( ie assisted passage immigrant) > > of being a schemer > > given to stock scams, money laundering and fraud, on TV, or in the print > > media would result in legal action in most countries, especially the > > litigation mad USA. Dow Jones were being typically gutless thinking they > > could hide behind the internet to make these claims. If the claims have > > substance they should have published it, if they don't they deserve to > > be financially gutted, either way to make the claims on the internet is > > cowardly. I thought that even in the US cowardice was frowned upon. > > I can't quite see this - Dow Jones has a duty to inform its customers, and > they can inform them over the internet. It is publishing the information in > the legal sense, and they can be sued for libel just as readily as if they > published in the print media, and more easily than if they published on TV. > > So how is internet piblication "cowardly"? ** Because it originated outside of Australia. Hence the need for the High Court ruling so Mr Gutnik could start his action in Victoria - where he lives and was defamed. > No doubt Dow Jones has evidence to back up their claims ** There is plenty of doubt. - they are a long-established and reputable organisation - and if the evidence isn't > flawed they should have a decent public interest defence ** "Public interest" is not required by law in Victoria in a defamation case. Truth is a sufficient defence as it is in most of the world. .................... 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