From: Fred Bloggs
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Subject: Re: US Mailboxes
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:57:44 GMT
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 05:33:27 GMT, the renowned Fred Bloggs
>>LOL- that would only apply to the owner's liability to the juvenile who
>>broke his arm while swinging the bat at the box from a vehicle traveling
> What if a car loses control and hits the "mailbox" killing somebody?
My gut feel is that you are under no obligation to mount the box on a
breakaway post- the only requirement should be that the box is legally
placed in position relative to the road- but you never know these days.
I do know of one case where a municipality was sued for wrongful death
because a juvenile hanging his head out the car window was decapitated
by a roadside traffic sign , and it turned out the sign did not conform
to local governing regulation as to its placement.
> Such boxes are also often hit by snowplows in winter as I understand
> it (never lived in that rural an area myself). One answer is to mount
> the mailbox on an arm and pivot so that it can rotate around if hit
> by a snowplow. It will also rotate around and hit the car of an
> attacker, coincidentally. (Don Foreman mentioned this one).
Not to worry- just let the liability transfer to the swing mechanism
> Here's a couple of mailbox stories from other friends, both from the
> frozen north (one from the UP of Michigan, one from Ontario)- all
> credit to them, their details can be found on Google.
> My buddies dad had a small disagreement with the gent that ran the
> plow so everytime it snowed one winter, he would clip off the mail
> box. We would continue to reinforce the post, and the old boy would
> continue to clip it off. Considering the ground was frozen about 8 ft
> deep, we couldnt dig much of a hole. What we finally did was run a
> hose down the road, and ice down a circle of snow , piling it on until
> the mound of ice was about 20 foot long, and right to the top of the
> mail box, We raised the flag to profide an aiming spot, and waited.
> It snowed pretty good that night, so along comes the plow, hauling
> ass. We watched as he aimed for the mound of snow with the red flag
> sticking out. It was a beautiful thing to watch that big ol truck rise
> up, and flip over about 8 times. Made a hell of a cloud of snow
> hanging in the air. My buddies dad ran out to check out the terrible
> noise and drug the driver out of the cab. The driver mumbled something
> about "you win" as they carted him off in the ambulance. Dad had no
> idea what we had done, so he walked over to the mail box, and found
> the ramp of ice. He stood frozen for a moment, turned and gave us a
> stern look, shook his finger at us, and walked back to the house
> trying to keep from laughing....
> The State Police investigated the crash site, and busted up as well.
> It appears the story about the feud had gotten around. Nothing was
> ever said about our handiwork.
I wouldn't recommend this, given the way people "testilie" these days.
> Most of what the snowplow hits around here belongs to the 'mailbox'
> family. Most of the time, the plow wins.
> However, one fine fall I had just come home to find YET ANOTHER
> mailbox maimed by the 'mailbox league' baseball team, which has
> foregone their baseball bats in lieu of pick axes, and decided that
> they would find the next box to be a challenge.
> I had a welder friend (I wasn't welding yet) make me up a mailbox
> out of 1/2" plate with half of a piece of 10" steam pipe to give the
> standard mailbox shape. Well gusseted inside and out. This was a box
> that would survive a direct nuclear strike.
> The box was mounted on a 9' chunk of 8" steam pipe buried over 5' in
> the ground (gotta love PTO post-hole augers) surrounded and *filled*
> with concrete.
> The operative term here was 'inflexible'. I wanted to make damn
> sure that the next asshole with a pickaxe hanging out the window of a
> pickup truck with the demise of my mailbox as his mission ended up
> with at *least* a broken arm.
> Anyway, you all saw this coming; the plow hit my mailbox.
> Luckily, the plow (which is actually a grader, not a regular plow)
> hit it with just the tip of the blade, and the resulting twist caused
> some 1/2" shear pins to snap, and caused a several-hour delay while
> the driver tried to find pins in his tool box while alternating
> baleful glares at the bend in his blade, and the gouge in the 'stem'
> of my mailbox.
> The town decided that maybe my mailbox was a bit too sturdy, and I
> had to cut it off. I'm thinking maybe I can mount it on a truck
> spring or something... I've actually been meaning to talk it over with
> Clarence (he drives the grader now).
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany