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From: Michel Catudal
Subject: Re: Which basic compiler to buy?
Date: 29 Dec 2002 00:39:08 -0600
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Richard Steven Walz wrote:
>>They dropped the part after realizing that there was not much a market
>>for it. You will still find parts around but that's not current production
> That's because the only people reading their stuff back then were other
Engineers are the ones designing and the ones who can push ICs. If Engineers
don't want to use ICs manufacturers will drop em.
They gave away a bunch of 8052-BASIC chips as party favors
I got my share but was not impressed.
>>There are still programmers who insist on programming
>>in assembler but this a disapearing breed as most employers won't put up
>>with that. The language of choice is C for small embedded system and C
>>and C+ for large embedded system.
> There are lots of head-up-their-ass dicks who are paranoid of anything but
> C because they are management and can't program anyway, but they bring up
> LOTS of hardware in this valley with Forth, of all things, and library-
> based assembly is STILL taught at the University level at UC Davis for
> Engineering curriculum as superior to C++!
Forth is good but doesn't interest most programmer who prefer the ease
of programming of C.
>>My favorite is actually pascal which I use at home. I will eventually port
>>a pascal compiler to the AVR.
> Pascal is literally psueodcode, that's it's claim to fame, really.
> But then no one uses pseudocode often now either.
Pascal and Delphi are very popular and often the language of choice for
those writing shareware.
>>Most companies will require the programming be done in C for practical
>>reasons. It is more efficient in coding and easier to follow.
> Management wants to be able to find new C-hacks if the current batch get
> grabby and want more money. If you show up for C-programmer cattle calls
> you deserve what you get!
Bullshit! It is just normal that when a programmer leaves that the new
programmer doesn't have to start form scratch as it is often the case
when the program is written in assembler or basic.
>>get an interview for programming stating that you only program in basic
>>and assembler and you'll find out that your choices are very limited.
> But if you're after an engineering position then all the above is a plus.
Around here when someone looks at a résumé, he or she is looking for key
words like : C and CAN or J1850. I they don't see those two words you résumé
goes in the trash. If basic happens to be there too it is probably not even
noticed as being irrelevant. If you go work for some company that hires
someone to do test fixtures, they may require Visual Basic. But you should
realize that visual basic is not the same as old standard basic as you
are doing gui design and not coding for most of the work. You must remember
the $150 million dollar settlement that Microsoft had to give Borland for
copying on Delphi and C++ Builder.
I've work in the car and trucks industry for a long time and have never
seen anything designed in basic. It is either assembler, C, C++ and
occasionally forth (rare though, I only recall seing one back in the early
90s). There was some PLM in the early eighties but it is gone.
Forth has an interesting crowd, it's like a cult.
Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
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