From: Joe Legris
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Subject: Re: Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks - Big Brother at his best!
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 12:22:21 -0500
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Organization: Bell Sympatico
Gerry Schneider wrote:
> Just a few tidbits from Canada's "solution" (asterisks are
> Anyone convicted in Ontario of a drinking and driving
> offence committed on or after December 23, 2001, *must*
> install a breathalyzer ignition lock in their vehicle once
> their driving privileges are restored.
> Persons convicted of a first offence will have to use the
> device, called an ignition interlock, for at *least* one
> If it detects an impermissible level of alcohol (over *20*
> mgs of alcohol in 100 ml of blood), the car will not start.
> The Registrar of Motor Vehicles will consider the *data*
> stored by the device in deciding whether the person applying
> for its removal can be trusted to drive sober without it.
> The system requires breath samples at random intervals while
> the engine is running. Drivers have about three minutes to
> provide a breath sample, allowing them time to pull over *if
> There you go - a (flawed!) device whose "data" (including
> false positives) is used to judge you without recourse to a
> fair hearing, which *requires* you to either blow into a
> tube while driving (ridiculous!) or pull over before the
> horn and lights go off (dangerous!), and which is set to
> absurdly low levels (watch out for mouthwash and
> liqueur-filled chocolates!). And when does the punishment
> end? When they say so! OK, sure, the guy may have deserved
> to get nailed for drunk driving, but doesn't anybody besides
> me (and Fred) worry about where this is going? Or have you
> Americans been so brainwashed by the War on Drugs, War on
> Terrorism etc. that you don't care anymore?
First consider, how does the device get in a car to begin with? The
owner was convicted on a first offense. Drinkers are notoriously
resistant to reforming and this program is the result of that resistance.
If you use mouthwash just rinse your mouth with water a few times. The
residual alcohol (assuming you don't swallow the stuff) will dissipate
quickly. You'll just have to cut down on liqueur-filled chocolates. I
routinely bite off the end and pour the filling the drain anyway - it's
too damn sweet. The remaining shell is delicious. Good way to lose
Regarding the hearings: sure, they'll bust you again if you keep trying
to duck under the minimum. I don't know, but I suspect the odd close
shave is forgivable, whereas a consistent pattern of minimal compliance
is cause for concern.