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Subject: Re: Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks - Big Brother at his best!
References: <3E16A0FA.F0D9DFBE@sympatico.ca> <3E17184D.firstname.lastname@example.org>
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:21:15 -0500
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Organization: Bell Sympatico
Some people will make lots of money from the gadget followed by more
people that will sell devices to by pass the unit.
What prevents the "drunk" from having her/his son with him/her to blow
the tube ?
What about a small thank with stored the proper gas to simulate the
Well ... they will improve the gadget to take a picture of the driver
as she/he blows. They will then send the picture over the cell phone.
Then they will sell a gadget that will change the focus of the camera
that will send the picture that you want to send.
Well if I have plenty of money or am a foresight diplomat I will
order my driver to blow as I drive my Mercedes.
There is a lot of money to be made by this.
On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 12:22:21 -0500, Joe Legris
>Gerry Schneider wrote:
>> Just a few tidbits from Canada's "solution" (asterisks are
>> Anyone convicted in Ontario of a drinking and driving
>> offence committed on or after December 23, 2001, *must*
>> install a breathalyzer ignition lock in their vehicle once
>> their driving privileges are restored.
>> Persons convicted of a first offence will have to use the
>> device, called an ignition interlock, for at *least* one
>> If it detects an impermissible level of alcohol (over *20*
>> mgs of alcohol in 100 ml of blood), the car will not start.
>> The Registrar of Motor Vehicles will consider the *data*
>> stored by the device in deciding whether the person applying
>> for its removal can be trusted to drive sober without it.
>> The system requires breath samples at random intervals while
>> the engine is running. Drivers have about three minutes to
>> provide a breath sample, allowing them time to pull over *if
>> There you go - a (flawed!) device whose "data" (including
>> false positives) is used to judge you without recourse to a
>> fair hearing, which *requires* you to either blow into a
>> tube while driving (ridiculous!) or pull over before the
>> horn and lights go off (dangerous!), and which is set to
>> absurdly low levels (watch out for mouthwash and
>> liqueur-filled chocolates!). And when does the punishment
>> end? When they say so! OK, sure, the guy may have deserved
>> to get nailed for drunk driving, but doesn't anybody besides
>> me (and Fred) worry about where this is going? Or have you
>> Americans been so brainwashed by the War on Drugs, War on
>> Terrorism etc. that you don't care anymore?
>First consider, how does the device get in a car to begin with? The
>owner was convicted on a first offense. Drinkers are notoriously
>resistant to reforming and this program is the result of that resistance.
>If you use mouthwash just rinse your mouth with water a few times. The
>residual alcohol (assuming you don't swallow the stuff) will dissipate
>quickly. You'll just have to cut down on liqueur-filled chocolates. I
>routinely bite off the end and pour the filling the drain anyway - it's
>too damn sweet. The remaining shell is delicious. Good way to lose
>Regarding the hearings: sure, they'll bust you again if you keep trying
>to duck under the minimum. I don't know, but I suspect the odd close
>shave is forgivable, whereas a consistent pattern of minimal compliance
>is cause for concern.
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