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Subject: Re: Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks - Big Brother at his best!
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:25:40 -0500
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On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:21:15 -0500, Vlad wrote:
>Some people will make lots of money from the gadget followed by more
>people that will sell devices to by pass the unit.
>What prevents the "drunk" from having her/his son with him/her to blow
>the tube ?
>What about a small thank with stored the proper gas to simulate the
>Well ... they will improve the gadget to take a picture of the driver
>as she/he blows. They will then send the picture over the cell phone.
>Then they will sell a gadget that will change the focus of the camera
>that will send the picture that you want to send.
>Well if I have plenty of money or am a foresight diplomat I will
>order my driver to blow as I drive my Mercedes.
>There is a lot of money to be made by this.
Next time I will read the posting AFTER the spelling correction is
Sorry , English is my son's mother language.
>On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 12:22:21 -0500, Joe Legris
>>Gerry Schneider wrote:
>>> Just a few tidbits from Canada's "solution" (asterisks are
>>> Anyone convicted in Ontario of a drinking and driving
>>> offence committed on or after December 23, 2001, *must*
>>> install a breathalyzer ignition lock in their vehicle once
>>> their driving privileges are restored.
>>> Persons convicted of a first offence will have to use the
>>> device, called an ignition interlock, for at *least* one
>>> If it detects an impermissible level of alcohol (over *20*
>>> mgs of alcohol in 100 ml of blood), the car will not start.
>>> The Registrar of Motor Vehicles will consider the *data*
>>> stored by the device in deciding whether the person applying
>>> for its removal can be trusted to drive sober without it.
>>> The system requires breath samples at random intervals while
>>> the engine is running. Drivers have about three minutes to
>>> provide a breath sample, allowing them time to pull over *if
>>> There you go - a (flawed!) device whose "data" (including
>>> false positives) is used to judge you without recourse to a
>>> fair hearing, which *requires* you to either blow into a
>>> tube while driving (ridiculous!) or pull over before the
>>> horn and lights go off (dangerous!), and which is set to
>>> absurdly low levels (watch out for mouthwash and
>>> liqueur-filled chocolates!). And when does the punishment
>>> end? When they say so! OK, sure, the guy may have deserved
>>> to get nailed for drunk driving, but doesn't anybody besides
>>> me (and Fred) worry about where this is going? Or have you
>>> Americans been so brainwashed by the War on Drugs, War on
>>> Terrorism etc. that you don't care anymore?
>>First consider, how does the device get in a car to begin with? The
>>owner was convicted on a first offense. Drinkers are notoriously
>>resistant to reforming and this program is the result of that resistance.
>>If you use mouthwash just rinse your mouth with water a few times. The
>>residual alcohol (assuming you don't swallow the stuff) will dissipate
>>quickly. You'll just have to cut down on liqueur-filled chocolates. I
>>routinely bite off the end and pour the filling the drain anyway - it's
>>too damn sweet. The remaining shell is delicious. Good way to lose
>>Regarding the hearings: sure, they'll bust you again if you keep trying
>>to duck under the minimum. I don't know, but I suspect the odd close
>>shave is forgivable, whereas a consistent pattern of minimal compliance
>>is cause for concern.
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