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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr> <td width="600"> <center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroup<br>Sci.Electronics.Design<br><br>This Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To This Or Any Other<br>Newsgroup. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroup And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center> <center><font size="2"><pre><b> From: "D Poinsett" <dlp@DO-NOT-SPAMchartermi.net> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: To C or not to C Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:31:42 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <v1fa5a7d7009b6@corp.supernews.com> References: <3e162515$0$27994$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <oPDR9.6115$6%1.133449776@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com> <v1e7p3hfnl4fc7@corp.supernews.com> <u0qe1v0k44vhktgoo963te9loi8vdh8uq3@4ax.com> <v1erjhpuv7p386@corp.supernews.com> <evte1v45foaeksa29og6j7lnml8aki93hl@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Hi Jon, I'm not sure what you mean by <<semantics>> that are impossible to realize with a high level language like C but are possible with assembly language. I have never designed anything that would fall into this category and, other than something very exotic, I cannot imagine what it might be. Is this something that applies to the kind of ordinary applications that most of us are familiar with? Do you have a simple example? Dave Poinsett "Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote in message news:evte1v45foaeksa29og6j7lnml8aki93hl@4ax.com... > On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:23:50 -0500, "D Poinsett" > <dlp@DO-NOT-SPAMchartermi.net> wrote: > > >Right you are. > > > >I frequently use inline assembler just to take advantage of the HC11/HC12 > >instructions for setting/resetting individual bits. It's an elegant > >instruction that fulfills a commonly used function in embedded designs. Most > >C compilers are much more clumsy at this and, in fact, one must be very > >careful that the bits are managed correctly when doing it in C only. There > >are probably other and better examples but this came to mind. > > (I won't take the time to put this discussion in order. Folks > will just have to cope...) > > I wasn't thinking about that. C can simulate "rotate left" and > "rotate right," for example, or bit set and bit clear, as you > mention. I'm talking about <<semantics>> which simply cannot be > reached. I'm not talking 'just clumsily', but *impossible* no > matter how much or little code is written. Quite another story. > > Jon > > > > > > >Dave Poinsett > > > >"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote in message > >news:u0qe1v0k44vhktgoo963te9loi8vdh8uq3@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:45:36 -0500, "D Poinsett" > >> <dlp@DO-NOT-SPAMchartermi.net> wrote: > >> > >> ><snip> > >> >Often only a few, if any, sections of code need blazing speed. > >> ><snip> > >> > >> That isn't the only reason for assembler coding. There are > >> semantics available in assembler that aren't just "difficult" in > >> C, but impossible to code in C. Just wanted to point out that > >> speed isn't the sole driver for choosing asm, at times. > >> > >> Jon > >> > > > </b></pre></font><hr width="650"><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/electo-index.html"><font size="3">Go Back To The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a><br>Usenet Web Archive Index Of<br>The sci.electronics.design Newsgroup</font></a><br><br></center></td><img src="http://cyber-spy.com/cgi-bin/livecntr.pl?0+1+unetsci" width="1" height="1" alt="The Cyber-Spy Toolkit - powerful internet spy software - live police scanners - usenet fbi secrets archive - newsgroup spy electronics archive - search engine spy tools - download TCST today!"> </tr> </table> </center> <center> <br><center><hr size="3"></center> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" border="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"><small><b><i><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/index.html">Cyber-Spy.Com Live Resources</a></i></b></small></td> <td align="right" valign="top"><small> Copyright Alpha Omega Delta,<br> All rights reserved. </small></td> </tr> </table> <center><hr size="3"></center> <br><br> <br><br></center> </body></html>