From: Jonathan Kirwan
Subject: Re: Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks - Big Brother at his best!
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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:36:52 GMT
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 02:00:56 GMT, "Da Man"
>"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
>> Jonathan Kirwan wrote in
>> > On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:34:16 +1300, Barry Lennox
>> > wrote:
>> >>On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 07:46:09 GMT, "Michael Painter"
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>You drive with the consent of the government and
>> >>>it is not a right.
>> >>But any government governs with our consent and co-operation. Didn't
>> >>one of the US founding fathers make that quite plain? Jefferson was
>> >> it?
>> >>Barry Lennox
>> > The radical idea then being debated (documented in letters to
>> > the New York Journal, the Federalist Papers, personal letters,
>> > the Virgina legislature debates in 1787, and so on), in the US
>> > was that rights emanate from the individual, not from government
>> > or society, and that government operates by the consent of
>> > individuals who grant those rights they deem necessary and which
>> > persist only for so long as they choose to continue granting
>> > them.
>> Far too many US citizens have forgotten or never learned this.
>> Especially lawmakers and judges.
>Although I live in Canada, I suspect most have never learned that. I know I
>have rights, but I don't know what many of them are. No one tought me, or
>anyone I know. I find out about a few here and there. People are much easier
>to control if they don't know what rights they have, since if they don't
>know what they are how are are they going to fight for them?
You lose whatever you don't keep demanding and fighting for.
Some subtly and temporarily, and some more permanently.