From: "Bill Sloman"
Subject: Re: Defeating Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:56:50 +0100
Organization: Planet Internet
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
> "Michael Culley" wrote in
> >> (BTW, 4/5 of moving
> >> violations are speeding tickets). Only about 6% of the accidents here
> >> are actually caused from speeding.
> > I don't like speeding tickets much myself and agree with some of what
> > you said, but there is a huge gaping hole in this arguement. Maybe
> > this speeding fines are working?
> > --
> > Michael Culley
> The speeding still occurs.The accidents come more from other causes like
> running red lights,inattention to driving,improper lane
> changes,tailgating,reckless driving,etc.
Have you any evidence for this claim? This thread has been littered with
claims that speeding as such doesn't kill people, but it has been short on
I can't post a URL but I can remember the results of an American study back
in the sixties, where a group - I think at Princeton - investigated a
relatively small number of fatal car accidents with the same thoroughness
that the aviation authorities used to invesitage fatal air-trafiic accidents
involving commercial carriers.
The results were interesting. In pretty much every case - a few suicides
excepted - the accidents didn't have a single identifiable cause, but rather
represented something like the combination of an awkward traffic situation
with a minor mechanical failure on the car and a failure of judgement by the
driver. The authors were not happy about a significant number of the minor
mechanical failures, and thought that they'd investigated several otherwise
On this basis, speeding wouldn't be seen as causing accidents, but rather as
making accidents more likely, by reducing the time available for the driver
to react to a problem situation on the road or in the car, and as making
accidents more severe, because a fast car has more kinetic energy available
to distort its structure and contents when it collides with something
travelling at a different speed (such as a tree).
Car accidents are rarely fatal when the cars involved are travelling at less
than 20 kph (though stationary cars toppling off jacks have killed a number
of people), and are rarely fatal for passengers and drivers wearing
seat-belts for speeds up to 100kph. In the 1960s in Victoria, the majority
of traffic accidents took place in the city of Melbourne, where most of the
population lived, and where there were a lot of cars on the road. The
majority of fatal traffic accidents took place in the country, where they
drove a lot faster.
> Some US police departments get the
> majority of their budget from speeding tickets.There's one in Ohio that
> issues speeding tickets on an Interstate that runs through their town,even
> though there's NO entrance or exit IN their town.The size of their police
> dept. more then doubled,IIRC,solely to write more speeding tix.
And it probably saves a lot more years of life than any other way of
deploying the same group might ....beats the hell out of gun control.
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen