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From: Fred Bloggs
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Subject: Re: Defeating Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks
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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:42:40 GMT
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:08:50 GMT, the renowned Fred Bloggs
>>Three or four beers over even a one hour period should not put you near
>>any reasonable limit.
> Four ordinary 5% beers over an hour will put you close to or over the
> 0.08 limit unless you're over 200lbs. Three if you're more like
> 150lbs. Less if you're drinking stronger premium brands, more if it's
> light beers.
You seem to have missed the keyword "reasonable" applied to the limit.
The thing is that 0.08 is not a reasonable limit, it is a "political"
unscientific and abusive limit. Three or four beers used to be an
afterwork stop-in-the-pub, and the facts are that there are nearly
countless 0.08-miles with no traffic safety incidents whatsoever.
>>Also, even though the offense has been elevated to
>>the level of misdemeanor, it is still in the category of traffic offense
>>which is traditionally classified as a public disorder. The second
>>offense WILL be upgraded to a low end felony in some jurisdictions, and,
>> depending on the BAC, could result in PRISON time versus just jail time.
> The OP is in Ontario. There it *will* leave you with a criminal record
> and out a lot of money. This may prevent the person from being able to
> legally enter the US or other countries unless they receive a waiver
> from that country or procure an expensive pardon.
> Same thing for Americans wanting to travel, here's what the Canadian
> rules are:
> Criminal Record
> Anyone with a criminal record (including a drunk driving conviction)
> may be excluded from Canada. Contact the Canadian Embassy or a
> Canadian Consulate in the U.S. for more information. A waiver of
> exclusion may be issued but several weeks are required and a
> processing fee must be paid.
> The technology now exists to share this information more fully and
> virtually instantaneously.
You may be one to be put off by a government "label" but I'm not. They
can take their arbitrary declaration of criminality and shove it up
their provincial butt. The idiots have not realized it yet, but lowering
the bar on a criminal offense this way has trivialized the so-called
criminal record. I am surprised the Canadians have allowed these
measures to become law. It is probably due to the same evil propaganda
that depicts the "drunk driver" as a bleary eyed, obnoxious, staggering,
reckless type jumping the guard rail with his car at 100MPH to kill the
happy little family of four going down the road at 4AM in the morning?
This is total bullshit!- The new law pulls in millions of otherwise
innocent people with three beers under their belt who are nowhere near
impairment. This just goes to show that you never can underestimate the
power of cartoon when dealing with a brain-dead populace most of whom
are mentally incapacitated morons- like the Canadians apparently- and
not to be outdone by the Americans either:--)
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