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From: Fred Bloggs
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Subject: Re: Defeating Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks
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Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:00:22 GMT
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Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
Bill Sloman wrote:
> "Jim Yanik" wrote in message
>>"Michael Culley" wrote in
>>>>(BTW, 4/5 of moving
>>>>violations are speeding tickets). Only about 6% of the accidents here
>>>>are actually caused from speeding.
>>>I don't like speeding tickets much myself and agree with some of what
>>>you said, but there is a huge gaping hole in this arguement. Maybe
>>>this speeding fines are working?
>>The speeding still occurs.The accidents come more from other causes like
>>running red lights,inattention to driving,improper lane
> Have you any evidence for this claim? This thread has been littered with
> claims that speeding as such doesn't kill people, but it has been short on
> any evidence.
> I can't post a URL but I can remember the results of an American study back
> in the sixties, where a group - I think at Princeton - investigated a
> relatively small number of fatal car accidents with the same thoroughness
> that the aviation authorities used to invesitage fatal air-trafiic accidents
> involving commercial carriers.
> The results were interesting. In pretty much every case - a few suicides
> excepted - the accidents didn't have a single identifiable cause, but rather
> represented something like the combination of an awkward traffic situation
> with a minor mechanical failure on the car and a failure of judgement by the
> driver. The authors were not happy about a significant number of the minor
> mechanical failures, and thought that they'd investigated several otherwise
> undetected murders.
> On this basis, speeding wouldn't be seen as causing accidents, but rather as
> making accidents more likely, by reducing the time available for the driver
> to react to a problem situation on the road or in the car, and as making
> accidents more severe, because a fast car has more kinetic energy available
> to distort its structure and contents when it collides with something
> travelling at a different speed (such as a tree).
> Car accidents are rarely fatal when the cars involved are travelling at less
> than 20 kph (though stationary cars toppling off jacks have killed a number
> of people), and are rarely fatal for passengers and drivers wearing
> seat-belts for speeds up to 100kph. In the 1960s in Victoria, the majority
> of traffic accidents took place in the city of Melbourne, where most of the
> population lived, and where there were a lot of cars on the road. The
> majority of fatal traffic accidents took place in the country, where they
> drove a lot faster.
>>Some US police departments get the
>>majority of their budget from speeding tickets.There's one in Ohio that
>>issues speeding tickets on an Interstate that runs through their town,even
>>though there's NO entrance or exit IN their town.The size of their police
>>dept. more then doubled,IIRC,solely to write more speeding tix.
> And it probably saves a lot more years of life than any other way of
> deploying the same group might ....beats the hell out of gun control.
Since speed is what causes objects to collide, then by definition, the
occurrence of an accident is always traveling too fast for roadway
conditions -to include traffic density and other potential hazards.
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