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From: Jim Yanik
Subject: Re: Defeating Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:20:11 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: Friends of Lummox
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Fred Bloggs wrote in
> Bill Sloman wrote:
>> "Jim Yanik" wrote in message
>>>"Michael Culley" wrote in
>>>>>(BTW, 4/5 of moving
>>>>>violations are speeding tickets). Only about 6% of the accidents
>>>>>here are actually caused from speeding.
>>>>I don't like speeding tickets much myself and agree with some of
>>>>what you said, but there is a huge gaping hole in this arguement.
>>>>Maybe this speeding fines are working?
>>>The speeding still occurs.The accidents come more from other causes
>>>like running red lights,inattention to driving,improper lane
>> Have you any evidence for this claim? This thread has been littered
>> with claims that speeding as such doesn't kill people, but it has
>> been short on any evidence.
>> I can't post a URL but I can remember the results of an American
>> study back in the sixties, where a group - I think at Princeton -
>> investigated a relatively small number of fatal car accidents with
>> the same thoroughness that the aviation authorities used to
>> invesitage fatal air-trafiic accidents involving commercial carriers.
>> The results were interesting. In pretty much every case - a few
>> suicides excepted - the accidents didn't have a single identifiable
>> cause, but rather represented something like the combination of an
>> awkward traffic situation with a minor mechanical failure on the car
>> and a failure of judgement by the driver. The authors were not happy
>> about a significant number of the minor mechanical failures, and
>> thought that they'd investigated several otherwise undetected
>> On this basis, speeding wouldn't be seen as causing accidents, but
>> rather as making accidents more likely, by reducing the time
>> available for the driver to react to a problem situation on the road
>> or in the car, and as making accidents more severe, because a fast
>> car has more kinetic energy available to distort its structure and
>> contents when it collides with something travelling at a different
>> speed (such as a tree).
>> Car accidents are rarely fatal when the cars involved are travelling
>> at less than 20 kph (though stationary cars toppling off jacks have
>> killed a number of people), and are rarely fatal for passengers and
>> drivers wearing seat-belts for speeds up to 100kph. In the 1960s in
>> Victoria, the majority of traffic accidents took place in the city of
>> Melbourne, where most of the population lived, and where there were a
>> lot of cars on the road. The majority of fatal traffic accidents took
>> place in the country, where they drove a lot faster.
>>>Some US police departments get the
>>>majority of their budget from speeding tickets.There's one in Ohio
>>>that issues speeding tickets on an Interstate that runs through their
>>>town,even though there's NO entrance or exit IN their town.The size
>>>of their police dept. more then doubled,IIRC,solely to write more
>> And it probably saves a lot more years of life than any other way of
>> deploying the same group might ....beats the hell out of gun control.
> Since speed is what causes objects to collide, then by definition, the
> occurrence of an accident is always traveling too fast for roadway
> conditions -to include traffic density and other potential hazards.
Speed,direction(vector) and timing are what causes objects to collide,not
speed alone.And the latter two are far more critical.
Jim Yanik,NRA member
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