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From: email@example.com (Bill Sloman)
Subject: Re: Defeating Breathalyzer Ignition Interlocks
Date: 6 Jan 2003 03:35:21 -0800
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Jim Yanik wrote in message news:...
> Fred Bloggs wrote in
> > Bill Sloman wrote:
> >> "Jim Yanik" wrote in message
> >> news:Xns92F9D7284235Fjyanikkuanet@220.127.116.11...
> >>>"Michael Culley" wrote in
> >>>>>(BTW, 4/5 of moving
> >>>>>violations are speeding tickets). Only about 6% of the accidents
> >>>>>here are actually caused from speeding.
> >>>>I don't like speeding tickets much myself and agree with some of
> >>>>what you said, but there is a huge gaping hole in this arguement.
> >>>>Maybe this speeding fines are working?
> >>>>Michael Culley
> >>>The speeding still occurs.The accidents come more from other causes
> >>>like running red lights,inattention to driving,improper lane
> >>>changes,tailgating,reckless driving,etc.
> >> Have you any evidence for this claim? This thread has been littered
> >> with claims that speeding as such doesn't kill people, but it has
> >> been short on any evidence.
> >> I can't post a URL but I can remember the results of an American
> >> study back in the sixties, where a group - I think at Princeton -
> >> investigated a relatively small number of fatal car accidents with
> >> the same thoroughness that the aviation authorities used to
> >> invesitage fatal air-trafiic accidents involving commercial carriers.
> >> The results were interesting. In pretty much every case - a few
> >> suicides excepted - the accidents didn't have a single identifiable
> >> cause, but rather represented something like the combination of an
> >> awkward traffic situation with a minor mechanical failure on the car
> >> and a failure of judgement by the driver. The authors were not happy
> >> about a significant number of the minor mechanical failures, and
> >> thought that they'd investigated several otherwise undetected
> >> murders.
> >> On this basis, speeding wouldn't be seen as causing accidents, but
> >> rather as making accidents more likely, by reducing the time
> >> available for the driver to react to a problem situation on the road
> >> or in the car, and as making accidents more severe, because a fast
> >> car has more kinetic energy available to distort its structure and
> >> contents when it collides with something travelling at a different
> >> speed (such as a tree).
> > Since speed is what causes objects to collide, then by definition, the
> > occurrence of an accident is always traveling too fast for roadway
> > conditions -to include traffic density and other potential hazards.
> Speed,direction(vector) and timing are what causes objects to collide,not
> speed alone.And the latter two are far more critical.
But not so easily monitored. Speeding fines, properly enforced, lower
the average traffic speeds and make such accidents as do occur (due to
mechanical failures, driver misjudgements, oil or ice on the road etc)
It is relatively easy to measure speed and penalise those who
habitually travel faster than some arbitrary limit - the sane drivers
conform to the rules because it saves them money, while the
psychopaths continue to drive too fast and lose their driving-licenses
for presistent speeding, rather than manslaughter.
I agree that it would be better to penalise misjudgement, inattention
and neglect of maintenance, but none of these predisposing factors are
anything like so easy to measure, to get back to a thoroughly on-topic
user-group point of view.
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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