From: Jonathan Kirwan
Subject: Re: To C or not to C
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:20:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
>> I'm not looking for power, Kevin. And the target you are
>> looking at is about that. One can make a few million or more
>> just in the cracks where I'm at. It's enough for me.
>But you haven't. That's the problem. Its very difficult. That why all
>the difficult things have been done.
No, Kevin. You are wrong that I haven't.
It *is* difficult. But the point is that I'm not looking for a
big kill. I'm looking for an enjoyable life doing work I like
with people I also like and trying to make a modest income in
>>> Ahmmm. Ok, this might sound a bit condescending, but its not meant
>> If it sounds that way, it's probably because it is.
>The phrasing is however designed to kick one up the backside.
To what end? I've a hunch it's more for you, than for me.
>>> I see where you are coming from, but I got over this attitude at
>>> least 10 years ago.
>> Yup, that's condescending, all right.
>>> Essentially, all this is doing is being a follower to the
>> I do *not* agree with that, at all. Nothing I've said should be
>> construed to mean that.
>>> x-ing t's and dotting i's.
>> Nope. My work includes developing new sensor systems and
>> combinations that haven't been done before. I wouldn't call it
>> as you do. And I enjoy it, too.
>I was not refering to new, *original* products. I was refering to:
>>>> That the interesting
>>>> stuff is in dealing with those details in order to make a
>>>> product that does more with less than anyone else has managed
>>>> and thus producing a cheaper product with fewer elements needing
>>>> calibration effort and providing better repeatability and
>>>> accuracy, as well.
Both my statements are congruent, Kevin. Sometimes, it's the
combination that is unique and difficult to achieve, or the mix
of constraints as well as the features.
Your condescending statements were simply condescending.
>This a "me too". Just like SuperSpice:-)
I don't see everything I do that way. Some is, some isn't. But
as a whole, what is "me, too" helps to build towards the parts
that aren't just "me, too." It's all part of a whole, which is
me and which I enjoy and like. And it pays well enough for my
Relationship is everything, Kevin. In business and out. It's
about doing interesting work, solving interesting problems on a
variety of fronts, and doing it with interesting and enjoyable
people who add creative new ways for me to look at things. And
hopefully, who in return find my contributions equally useful
and enjoyable in the process. And it's about mutual respect.
>> Yes, I'd say you are being condescending; in spades.
>So, as I said, I have gotten over this "doing it better then the other".
>Its really a "my dick is bigger sort of thing".
As I just said, some things are about doing it better, but only
some things. The whole mix is much more complex and much more
fun, luckily. But it is nice to field something that people
will actually praise you for, once in a while. And doing it
better -- whether that is cheaper, smaller, more repeatable,
more accurate, or whatever combination of those and more it
might be -- is a nice thing to try to do. Certainly, putting
out something that is less than what others have already done is
a bit of a lead balloon.
It's got nothing directly to do with your summary, there. It's
just doing fun things with and for good folks and for some
>Your saying that you have personal satisfaction in doing detailed stuff.
>There nothing wrong in that in principle, but for me, once I figure out
>the overall game plan, I lose interest. Let the minions deal with he
>actual implementation I say. I agree, that I would rather be Bill Gates,
>reaping the reward from the Proletariat whom I have conned into "keeping
>up the good work", he says as he slaps their backs.... "your doing a
>fine job son...".
Physics is what wakes me up in the morning and puts me to sleep
at night. For example, I am currently studying Lie groups and
algebras from Gilmore's book (and visiting a physicist nearby
who works with Ed Witten, off and on) to work through some of
the ideas, such as conformal field theory as an ODE
classification, Cartan subalgebras, Dynkin diagrams and Coxeter
groups/graphs, and so on. I don't want the handwaving
generalities. I want to know how to calculate the specifics.
And I enjoy putting more models in my head.
So I guess I don't see Bill as a God, per se, nor even something
to strive for. I'm not interested in reaping from the conned.
Sadly, it seems, some are.
>> I suspect
>> this is some internal record you have playing in your mind about
>> a lot of people. And it's just playing again, without good
>> thought here.
>I think that you not have reached the "life is truly pointless" phase
Already been there, many, many years ago. You probably have no