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From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Hal Murray)
Subject: Re: E-mail from Korea, China or Taiwan no longer accpted
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:55:39 -0000
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Most of the anti-spam discussiont/flames go on in news.admin.net-abuse.email
[see followups, and hope I didn't fatfinger something]
Beware - lots of flames and in jokes. Poor signal/noise ratio,
but often very good tidbits. Just (very) hard to find the good
>> The ISPs in Korea are in complete support of spam and there's no reason
>> to accept their traffic. Spamming does not violate Korean acceptable
>> use policies and the ISPs will not read complaints.
>What I've read in the Korean Times in English online completely
>contradicts what you say above.
I've seen at least one reasonable report that confirms the
story about spam being out of control in Korea. The deal was
that everybody changes email address every week/month because
the old address gets too much spam.
Many sites are also blocking all of Latin America, especially
Brazil and Argentina because the have lots of spammers and/or
open relays/proxies, and also because the ISPs down there don't
do anything about the problems.
Odds and ends for people not familiar with the spam scene:
For a large ISP (say hotmail), spammers will use "dictionary attacts",
that is trying all possible reasonable names. Like John.Smith,
Bob.Smith, George.Smith, ... If your name is at all easy to guess,
the spammers will have discovered it.
Email headers are easily forged. Spammers do it all the time.
So is the "envelope" return address. So filtering on the
sender and/or complaining to the senders ISP is probably
Spammers often forge the "envelope" return address so that
some poor victim gets all the bounces from their crap. This
is often called a "Joe job" since the first time it was
widely known the victim was email@example.com.
There are also a lot of "legitimate" spammers on the net.
The direct marketing spammers are trying to act "legitimate"
in that they have a working remove address, or at least that's
what they claim, just like all the asshole spammers.
If you get spam that looks reasonable, I suggest a snail
mail letter to the company and/or phone call to their 800
Another major problem is that many of the major ISPs
and web hosting companies are not kicking spammers off
their systems, even if they have an AUP that says "no spamming".
The list of bad-guys is almost a who's-who of the internet world.
There is a lot of good anti-spam info on the web.
Many of the web sites have links to others. Browse around
for a while and read enough so that you can form your own
Here is a start:
good resources (aka links) section near the end
Story of Nadine: http://www.honet.com/Nadine/
MAPS Mail Abuse Prevention System: http://www.mail-abuse.com/
good resources (aka links) section near the end Email abuse FAQ: http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/emailfaq.html
Network Abuse Clearinghouse: http://abuse.net/
Many of the anti-spam web pages have a section of links
to other anti-spam web pages. Follow your nose. When
you figure out that you are running in circles you have
probably covered most of the ground.
The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my
other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited
commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other addresses.
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
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