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From: email@example.com (Phil Tomson)
Subject: Re: VLSI training and prospects?
Date: 10 Jan 2003 21:30:34 GMT
Organization: Aracnet Internet
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Originator: firstname.lastname@example.org (Phil Tomson)
In article <email@example.com>,
>-is a course like the one at www.naics.ca
>enough to qualify an engineer to find work with vlsi, or masters is needed?
>-how risky is a ASIC design career anyway ie
>what is the chance Berkeley's 'chip in a day' Simulink to silicon aproach
>- Do you think Asian vlsi engineers are going to be dumped completely or
>just partly as soon as they become too expensive compared to people in
>some other underdeveloped country?
Well, it's happening to US engineers right now. In the global marketplace
that (for better or worse) now exists if employers can find cheaper
qaulified labor somewhere else they're going to do it. If a wage
differential exists and you're on the high-side then it's only a matter of
time before your job is outsourced. Think about it, manufacturing jobs
were 'outsourced' (exported) from the US starting in the late 80's and
into the 90's. Now engineering jobs are being outsourced and with the
internet it's much easier to move these jobs overseas than it was to move
manufacturing jobs - we're just talking about moving bits over the
internet as opposed to moving materials and factories; it's trivial to
move engineering jobs to another locale.
Since US engineers would have to be making something close to minimum wage
in order to compete with their counterparts in India, China or Russia it's
not likely that engineering will remain a viable profession going forward
in the US since it's quite difficult to live on minimum wage here - and
nobody wants to work for minimum wage in a job that takes the kind of
training that vlsi engineering does.
This is a catastrophic change for US engineers - most of us don't have a
fall-back position and it's not likely that we'll be able to migrate to
places where one can survive on these lower wages since most of these
countries (like India, China, Russia) make it much harder for us to get a
work visa than it is for their people coming to work in the US (via H1B
visas). Until the relative costs of living equalize between the US and some of
these other countries (and that could take decades) the wage differential
will be a problem.
...but I hope this is an overly pessimistic analysis... who knows, there
could be unforseen, unaccounted-for market forces, new technologies or
political changes that keep this scenario from happening.
"Or perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts?"
Amy Weiss (accusing theregister.co.uk of engaging in 'tabloid journalism')
Senior VP, Communications
Recording Industry Association of America
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