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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr> <td width="600"> <center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroup<br>Sci.Electronics.Design<br><br>This Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To This Or Any Other<br>Newsgroup. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroup And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center> <center><font size="2"><pre><b> From: Spehro Pefhany <speff@interlog.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Gone travelling....I´m deleting my web site... Organization: Rather Message-ID: <r5cg2v4mrrubdcb8kr9as3thqnjhn27sh6@4ax.com> References: <38a9c624.0301161020.75c13a1f@posting.google.com> <146e2vkmuekqq4timbtmvc61hlktro8gia@4ax.com> <0q6e2v0bkv4693jlncr14o6s8hoaha6oh1@4ax.com> <9m9e2vgsl99augla6bqin624bt3oc4t695@4ax.com> <g8ae2v4k5sj6h6s5flgttvtb6amdl26f17@4ax.com> <1vme2vsokkm6r7gage6m9upkvlpok6i1s0@4ax.com> <af9g2v06mcmvf0njiv1pni15re93lsp1jd@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:30:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.151.88 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:30:44 EST On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:53:32 GMT, the renowned Jim Thompson <Jim-T@analog_innovations.com> wrote: >Probably a bad choice of words on my part. I really meant places >where you feel you have no civil rights. For example, going through >Australian customs makes you feel that way... fortunately the rest of >the country makes up for that. I'm always *very* conscious of which side of a border I'm on. Before an alien is admitted to Oz, Canada, AND the USofA, he has almost no rights, almost no recourse if the agent decides you are an undesirable, likely to work illegally in the country etc. etc. There are reportedly something like 700 different reasons for keeping someone out of the US, for example. Have a look at that form that everyone but Canadians has to fill out to visit the US, for example, I-94W, I think, very intrusive. I've actually wondered if the slight inconvenience at borders isn't more indicative of how attractive and free a place is. Places like China don't have to be as fussy seeing as there is an information gathering network within the country that follows your moves, at least theoretically (I doubt they actually bother unless you commit a serious crime). But they do send your passport information from your hotel to the local Public Security Bureau. They do require passports for flights, but not trains or buses, so they can't really follow you easily. It not legal (but not uncommon either) to stay with friends etc. without your hosts informing the authorities. In smaller places, the watchful eyes of the old biddies on the neighborhood committees could rat you out. Very clever system- using old women to gossip for official purposes. Plus, setting up a company and hiring people is bound to attract official attention and paperwork ("Red" tape). And us big-noses stand out. >And then there's Canadian customs ;-) I'm always a "tourist" in >Canada now. *Never, never, never* make the mistake and say the >purpose of your visit is to "conduct a design review"! Nasty old >bitch, big enough that she could bounce even me off the ceiling, then >asks, "Are you *working* in our country" ?:-) Yeah, the US guys at Toronto's airport can be surly too. In your case, there's no reason to stretch the truth, you should be entitled to NAFTA TN status as a degreed engineer, (and it works reciprocally, BTW, for the other two NAFTA countries) . You probably wouldn't have all the supporting documentation unless you planned for it though, so it's still best to be polite unless yer ducks are in a row. In practice, for a short visit, mentioning you are an *engineer* and proof of residency (eg. Arizona driver's license) usually ends the questioning because of the preferred status. Or say you're there to meet and the work will be done in the US (which is usually the truth I'd imagine). IANAL, not legal advice. ;-) They are just clerks who need the right answers to fill out their checklists. Mobility for work purposes is still rather limited, especially between civilized countries. It's worse for freelancers as opposed to employees of large companies, because they look similar to people just looking for a job. There are other issues too. One lady who worked for us can't get her daughter in because the poor kid has a heart problem and it will cost $200-300K to fix it properly, which of course would have to be paid by the taxpayers. She can always try to have it fixed in the Philippines, which ought to resolve the problem one way or the other. 8-( Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com </b></pre></font><hr width="650"><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/electo-index.html"><font size="3">Go Back To The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a><br>Usenet Web Archive Index Of<br>The sci.electronics.design Newsgroup</font></a><br><br></center></td><img src="http://cyber-spy.com/cgi-bin/livecntr.pl?0+1+unetsci" width="1" height="1" alt="The Cyber-Spy Toolkit - powerful internet spy software - live police scanners - usenet fbi secrets archive - newsgroup spy electronics archive - search engine spy tools - download TCST today!"> </tr> </table> </center> <center> <br><center><hr size="3"></center> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" border="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"><small><b><i><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/index.html">Cyber-Spy.Com Live Resources</a></i></b></small></td> <td align="right" valign="top"><small> Copyright Alpha Omega Delta,<br> All rights reserved. </small></td> </tr> </table> <center><hr size="3"></center> <br><br> <br><br></center> </body></html>