From: Robert Baer
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Subject: Re: pcb software
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:08:43 GMT
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Tilmann Reh wrote:
> Robert Baer schrieb:
> > Eagle Cad was totally useless.
> > It did not have the parts (schematic *or* layout) i am using.
> > Completely non-intuitive (to me), frustrating as all hell to get
> > parts, place, rotate, label, etc.
> > CorelDraw 3.0 is more functional.
> I really wonder if we're talking about the same software...
> I am (extensively) working with EAGLE for about 12 years now,
> and it has the most powerful and intuitive CAD software I've ever
> seen (and I've seen very many!).
> There are many libraries coming with the software or available
> for download, and if something is missing, it's added in just a few
> It's at least worth a try. A limited version is available free of
> cost for non-commercial purposes. And there are very helpful support
> Dipl.-Ing. Tilmann Reh
> Autometer GmbH Siegen - Elektronik nach Maß.
> In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates ?
> (Sun Microsystems)
I downloaded their "limited" version.
And yes, there seem to be thousands of parts covered in the libraries.
But *none* of it is useful; one cannot ADD anything to make a
schematic or a PCB layout.
I tried to cheat by *stealing* a resistor from a sample, and then
attempted to duplicate it.
It complained that it was a *gate* (!!).
I wasted a few daze loading and trying various PCB software (to get
gerbers, etc) and most of what is out their is slightly better than the
Eagle, but that is damning them with false praise.
Finally is the limited version from Ivex (WinBoard), which *WORKS*!
The limitations are 220 holes if i remember correctly, and cannot see
There were a few SMD items that they did not have in their libraries,
but i made a new library for my special purposes (made 2 parts i
Even PCB Express software that is supposed to allow you to make new
part layouts fails in that area.
The Ivex compiler/decompiler is an excellent tool for making and
altering libraries; with it, one can edit a part in text form, or use
WinBoard to edit it graphically; switch back and forth in seconds.
Now if i wasn't just piddling around with a dinky PCB for personal
purposes, Ivex gets my vote any and all femtoseconds in the year.
I would never buy any software where the demo has serious problems;
that tells me the programmers have not paid attention to detail, and i
am not willing to risk big bux for "buggy" software.