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/iframe></center><br><br> <br><br> </center> </td></tr> </table> <center> <table> <tr><td width="600"><center><hr width="400"><font size="2"><b>The <a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Usenet Archive Feeds Directly<br>From The Open And Publicly Available Newsgroups<br><br>These Group And Thousands Of Others Are Available<br>On Most IS NNTP News Servers On Port 119.<br><br><a href="http://www.cyber-spy.com/">Cyber-Spy.Com</a> Is NOT Responsible For Any Topic,<br>Opinions Or Content Posted To These Or Any Other<br>Newsgroups. This Web Archive Of The Newsgroups And<br>Posts Are For Informational Purposes Only.<br><br></b></font><hr width="400"></center><center><font size="2"><pre><b> From: Kirby Urner <urner@alumni.princeton.edu> Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.cia,alt.politics.org.fbi,alt.politics.media,alt.politics Subject: Re: Former CIA chief blasts Bush Reply-To: urner@alumni.princeton.edu Message-ID: <o0kjfv0ejm8ak32ll71jh84m09n02vb03e@4ax.com> References: <1451cd92.0306181803.2e32c9c3@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:02:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.100.34.53 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:02:09 CDT freethemedia2002@yahoo.com (Arther Miller) wrote: >The failure, said the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity >(VIPS), constituted a "policy and intelligence fiasco of monstrous >proportions". It was very clear what was happening at the time. The policy was dictating what findings would get press. Rumsfeld was circulating memos to link Saddam Hussein (SH) to the 9/11 thing as soon as it happened. The agenda was in place long before 9/11. All this was known and stated clearly at the time. So I don't get all this "failure of intelligence" language. There was no failure. Intelligence wasn't relevant. The point was to propagandize the USAers into war, which isn't hard, as many eagerly buy this "last only superpower" manifest destiny line. It's not a new one in New World circles. Plus they're pretty easily terrified, and therefore quick to authorize terrorism of their own. All this investigation stuff is bullshit. The USAers want to shift responsibility. They were told at the time what was happening, in plenty of well-seasoned analysis. And they bought it because they wanted to believe it -- and still want to. This plaintive "oh, they *lied* to me" is just pathetic. Of course they lied to you. Duh. The CIA has been largely taken over by military analysts, is more a branch of the DIA than anything. I posted about this plenty during the Bosnia haps. Rumsfeld made it official by setting up his own little intra-Pentagon think tank to spin stuff his way. He's a policy-making center, and knows what "intelligence" should look like (it should make his global policies appear way cool). I'm not posting here much anymore because I don't see that there's any org.cia worth writing about. It's over. "Intelligence" is not what people want to consume these days. Propaganda and spin is the way it'll be (along with a new set of summer movies). Those who want it to be otherwise are still free (for the time being) to study and communicate with each other via the internet etc. Blogs and all that. There's a kind of informal "global agency" or network of people with a bent for such stuff -- but we're mostly not Washington insiders on the federal payroll. That's the Pentagon's game now. It runs the show. Real analysis goes on elsewhere (including in financial institutions, which can't always afford to bank on hype and spin). So I agree with Turner about one thing at least. We shouldn't blame Tenet or Tenet's CIA (the latter because it's mostly a clever fiction, for the benefit of USAers who still want to believe in such a thing). It's been marginalized and has no real purpose other than to be the subject of faux Congressional post mortems, which have nothing to do with anything. It's getting easier to fool enough of the people all of the time. That you can't fool everyone doesn't really matter. Lincoln was right, sure, but so what? Fooling enough of the people enough of the time is all it takes. You can tell the others directly, to their faces, yes, we're lying to you. What can they do with that information? Write a letter to the editor? 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