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From: Kirby Urner
Subject: Re: Former CIA chief blasts Bush
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:02:10 -0700
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firstname.lastname@example.org (Arther Miller) wrote:
>The failure, said the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
>(VIPS), constituted a "policy and intelligence fiasco of monstrous
It was very clear what was happening at the time. The policy
was dictating what findings would get press. Rumsfeld was
circulating memos to link Saddam Hussein (SH) to the 9/11
thing as soon as it happened. The agenda was in place long
before 9/11. All this was known and stated clearly at the
So I don't get all this "failure of intelligence" language.
There was no failure. Intelligence wasn't relevant. The
point was to propagandize the USAers into war, which isn't
hard, as many eagerly buy this "last only superpower"
manifest destiny line. It's not a new one in New World
circles. Plus they're pretty easily terrified, and therefore
quick to authorize terrorism of their own.
All this investigation stuff is bullshit. The USAers want
to shift responsibility. They were told at the time what was
happening, in plenty of well-seasoned analysis. And they
bought it because they wanted to believe it -- and still
want to. This plaintive "oh, they *lied* to me" is just
pathetic. Of course they lied to you. Duh.
The CIA has been largely taken over by military analysts, is
more a branch of the DIA than anything. I posted about this
plenty during the Bosnia haps. Rumsfeld made it official
by setting up his own little intra-Pentagon think tank to
spin stuff his way. He's a policy-making center, and knows
what "intelligence" should look like (it should make his
global policies appear way cool).
I'm not posting here much anymore because I don't see that
there's any org.cia worth writing about. It's over.
"Intelligence" is not what people want to consume these
days. Propaganda and spin is the way it'll be (along with
a new set of summer movies).
Those who want it to be otherwise are still free (for the
time being) to study and communicate with each other via the
internet etc. Blogs and all that. There's a kind of informal
"global agency" or network of people with a bent for such
stuff -- but we're mostly not Washington insiders on the
federal payroll. That's the Pentagon's game now. It runs
Real analysis goes on elsewhere (including in financial
institutions, which can't always afford to bank on hype and
So I agree with Turner about one thing at least. We shouldn't
blame Tenet or Tenet's CIA (the latter because it's mostly a
clever fiction, for the benefit of USAers who still want to
believe in such a thing). It's been marginalized and has
no real purpose other than to be the subject of faux
Congressional post mortems, which have nothing to do with
It's getting easier to fool enough of the people all of the
time. That you can't fool everyone doesn't really matter.
Lincoln was right, sure, but so what? Fooling enough of
the people enough of the time is all it takes. You can
tell the others directly, to their faces, yes, we're lying
to you. What can they do with that information? Write a
letter to the editor?
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