From: Boondock Saint
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Subject: Re: The truth : the event of 9/11/2001 and the current developments
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 03:08:56 -0800
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> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:51:56 -0800, Boondock Saint wrote:
>>It seems to matter not one whit to you that a whole lot of Muslims knew
>>all about 9/11 before it went down.
> And we should believe that because who said so?
Muslims? I will ignore the tapes of Osama Bin Laden, as you surely
believe that is a forgery. As well as all of the other evidence, as you
apparently believe all of that was a forgery as well.
Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday the city would not accept a $10
million donation for disaster relief from Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin
Talal after the prince suggested U.S. policies in the Middle East
contributed to the September 11 attacks.
Just days after 9-11, Sheikh Hamoud bin Oqla al-Shuaibi, a senior
Wahabbi cleric in Saudi Arabia, issued his fatwa that "whoever supports
the infidel against Muslims is considered an infidel.... It is a duty to
wage jihad on anyone who supports the attack on Afghanistan." Support is
defined as assistance "by hand, by tongue, or by money." Clerics
belonging to the Islamic tribes on the Afgan-Pakistani border have also
distributed pamphlets with a fatwa calling on people to gun down any
American, whenever and wherever found.
For example, just after the September 11 attacks, it is true that many
Saudi government officials condemned them. But there were other voices
as well. Shortly thereafter a Saudi book appeared on the Internet
justifying the murder of thousands of Americans, entitled The
Foundations of the Legality of the Destruction That Befell America. The
Introduction to the book was written by a prominent Saudi religious
leader, Sheikh Hamud bin Uqla al-Shuaibi. He wrote on November 16, 2001,
that he hoped Allah would bring further destruction upon the United
States. Al-Shuaibi's name appears in a book entitled the Great Book of
Fatwas, found in a Taliban office in Kabul. Sheikh al-Shuaibi appears on
the Hamas website, noted earlier, as a religious source for suicide
attacks. He appears on the website of the Islamic militants fighting the
U.S. army in western Iraq as well. His ideas had global reach.
The question that must be asked is whether a religious leader of this
sort is a peripheral figure on the fringes of society or whether he
reflects more mainstream thinking. In fact, al-Shuaibi had very strong
credentials. Born in 1925 in the Wahhabi stronghold of Buraida, he was a
student of King Faisal's Grand Mufti, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Al
al-Sheikh. Al-Shuaibi's roster of students read like a "Who's Who" of
Saudi Arabia, including the current Grand Mufti and the former Minister
of Islamic Affairs and Muslim World League secretary-general, Abdullah
al-Turki. When al-Shuaibi died in 2002, many central Saudi figures
attended his funeral. In short, he was mainstream. His militant ideas
about justifying the September 11 attacks were echoed by Sheikh Abdullah
bin Abdul Rahman Jibrin, who actually was a member of the Directorate of
Religious Research, Islamic Legal Rulings, and Islamic Propagation and
Guidance - an official branch of the Saudi government.
"...I did not come [here] to defend bin Laden personally. Bin Laden
waged an Islamic Jihad; he
defended the oppressed people in Afghanistan. He expelled the Soviet
Union [from Afghanistan]. The
Western world focuses on Osama bin Laden and the Jihad, and ignores the
Muslims' faith, their
principles, and their values. Men like bin Laden will not allow the
Islamic world to bow down under
the infidel enemies' tyranny, under the tyranny of the U.S...."
-- Abdallah Bin Matruk Al-Haddal, a
Saudi preacher from the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Saudi Arabia, who
supported bin Laden on Al Jahzeera show