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From: "Dan Christensen"
Subject: Re: Cuba Travel Advisory from the Wall Street Journal
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:26:57 -0400
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:28:08 EDT
Organization: AT&T Canada IES
"PL" wrote in message
> "Dan Christensen" wrote in message
> > Urban,
> > Unlike you, I don't just make up stuff as I go.
> Yes you do.
> For months after the boycott exempted foodstuffs you claimed it was
> iumpossible for Cuba to buy US foods.
US farm and business groups seem to think there is still an embargo
on. Haven't you heard? They are lobbying furiously to have it lifted.
Unfortunately, the USA isn't much of a democracy. Otherwise your
beloved embargo would have been history by now.
> > Time and again you
> > have been caught with your propaganda pants down.
> You are the "great un-panted one".
> Your blatant lies, misrepresentations and misleading "post-editing"
> have all been exposed here.
No, that was just your ignorance of the English language.
> Unlike you Urban knows Cuba. He also speaks the language, you don't.
He is still has a problem sorting out the truth--to say the least.
> > Everything at my website and most of my postings at SCC are based
> > independent or reliable sources.
> Nice twist "most of my postings". You have at least given up the
> pretence that the sources for your postings are mostly nothing else
> the mere propaganda.
> On your website you use "snippets" from "selected sources" ignoring
> (and often misrepresenting) the large body of evidence that
> contradicts your lies and misrepresentations.
> The example of your misrepresentation of Elizardo Sanchez's views on
> the US trade boycott (the ommission of an interview where he
> the dual process of ending the boycott gradually as human rights and
> democracy return to Cuba) is just one of them.
This is, in fact a perfect example of how YOU lie and mislead with
your selective editing. (See other postings today on Sanchez.)
> Only one report of a human righst organization is mentioned (Amnesty
> International) while you scare from posting even links to relevant
> reports from HRW, Pax Christi, ...
> > Whenever possible, I give direct
> > links to online sources.
> You mean: when it suits you you give links.
> Often enough I have had to find the articles myslef or ask you for a
> Often the review of the article (that I than posted in full) has
> exposed your misrepresentations.
Yeah, right! The kettle calling the teapot black.
> > You, on the other hand, cannot at times even
> > keep your story straight with your fellow counterrevolutionaries!
> Unlike you, Urban has a true and correct view of the situation in
> and can speak from personal experience.
Why doesn't he tell the truth then? Why, for example, doesn't he come
clean on this funeral in Santiago? Why doesn't he at least admit he
could be wrong, especially since his fellow counterrevolutionary
reported key facts that contradict his own?
> He has access to the large body of articles in Spanish. You "oh
> Cuba expert" don't even speak Spanish. As such you have access to
> a small subset of data.
Enough, it seems, to expose YOUR lies and disinformation.
> You don't deal in honest information, but mere propaganda.
> In the past you have even denied the facts that I posted from the
> Notimex press agancy while admiiting later that you had
> all along from Granma (WFP project in Santiago).
Bullshit. That whole issue blew up in your face--remember? No starving
masses, no corpses piling up in the streets, no relief camps, just
food supplements--school lunch programs, etc. for a vulnerable 6% of
the population, required as a result of a severe drought in eastern
> Whenever faults Urban may have (like all of us), he is genuinely
> concerned for the well-being of the Cuban people. He puts respect of
> human rights of all before politics, unlike you.
He certainly doesn't seem to put the TRUTH before politics.
> You have admitted here in SCC that you could not deny that you did
> your "(communist) cause" above the well-being and lives of the Cuban
That's bullshit. And besides, were it not for the "communist cause,"
Cuba would not lead Latin America in education and health care. Just
ask your pals at the World Bank.
> You have supported the human rights abuse and extra judicial
> of the regime while advocating even more extreme measures.
Haven't you been burned enough times on this issue? (That's what I
like about Paul--he NEVER learns from his mistakes!) In fact, it is
you who support the genocidal US embargo and will do just about
anything to see that the Cuban people are punished for their continued
defiance of your political masters.
(Visit my website at http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html )
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