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From: "Pedro Martori"
Subject: Re: GREED VS. EMBARGO
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:53:27 -0400
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Organization: Bell Sympatico
THE CUBANS IN THE ISLAND HAVE NOT THE MEANS,NEITHER THE FREEDOM
TO EXPRESS THEIR REAL AND TRUE OPINIONS ON THE ISSUE OF THE
EMBARGO, HOWEVER, WE KNOW THE POINT VIEW OF MANY OF THEM IN THE
I don't know of what embargo you are realy talking about
here...is it the one inside by Kasstro or the one that has no
effects on the population but instead punish the regime in a
relative and not materially speaking of... ?
INTERNAL EMBARGO = THE ONE IMPOSED BY KASSTRO AGAINST CUBANS
EXTERNAL EMBARGO = NO REAL EFFECTS ON KASTRO OR THE PEOPLE...
THE ONLY THING THE EMBARGO DOES IS :
A MORAL-POLITICAL PRESSURE AGAINST KASTRO DICTATORSHIP.
"Dr Love" escribiů en el mensaje
| Pedro Martori wrote:
| > I rather would put it as STUPIDITY OR SHORT SIGHTED VISION...
| > IF THAT REGIME GOES TO THE GARBAGE BIN OF HISTORY...THEN
| > WOULD BE DOING BUSINESS
| > IN BIGGER AND TRUELY...BUT NOT WITH A DICTATOR WHO DO NOT PAY
| > JUST THINK HOW MANY THINGS OR PRODUCTS DO THE CUBAN PEOPLE
| > AND THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE TODAY BUT THAT WOULD BE
| > BY THEM IF THERE WOULD NOT BE...
| > NO MORE RESTRICTIONS, REPRESSION AND MONOPOLY BY THE REGIME
| > TRADE AND BUSINESS.
| > De:
| > Para:
| > Asunto: GREED VS. EMBARGO ¬© 2002 ABIP by Agustin
| > Fecha: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:44 AM
| > GREED VS. EMBARGO ¬© 2002 ABIP
| > by Agustin Blazquez with the collaboration of Jaums Sutton
| > The recent corporate collapses and scandals in the U.S.
| > community
| > have exposed the evils of greed when it becomes the basis for
| > decision
| > making. Greed is certainly a bad advisor as it tramples the
| > and ethical
| > principles on which America was founded.
| > Greed and illusory dreams of profits were the foundations of
| > July 23,
| > 2002 vote, 262 to 167, in the Republican-led House of
| > Representatives in
| > favor of easing the economic embargo against the Castro
| > and letting
| > American tourists visit Cuba.
| > For some time now, Castro has been able to buy goods from
| > U.S. on a
| > cash-only basis -- no credit. But the legislation passed by
| > House will
| > allow Castro to buy on credit.
| > In 1986 he began suspending all payments of his
| > debt. Debt to
| > governments and debt to businesses. Since he is the only
| > businessman in Cuba,
| > he can do that. As a result, many countries have withdrawn
| > permission
| > for him to buy on credit. Absolutely nothing has happened to
| > suggest that he
| > has changed his tune an will now begin to take his debts
| > seriously. So, for
| > the U.S. to now begin to sell to his regime on credit it is
| > abysmal
| > mistake.
| > Cuba‚?Ts Foreign Debt
| > "Cuba‚?Ts Foreign Debt" released on August 19, 2002 by the
| > Transition
| > Project (distributed by La Voz de Cuba Libre), offers an
| > accounting as of the
| > end of 2001: owed to the European Union, $10.893 billion; to
| > former
| > Eastern Europe, $2.2 billion; to the former Soviet Union, $25
| > billion; to
| > England, $196 million; to Japan, $1.7 billion; to China, $400
| > million; to
| > Argentina, $1.58 billion; to Mexico, $380 million; to
| > $142
| > million; to Canada, $73 million; to Chile, $20 million and to
| > South Africa,
| > $85 million.
| > From the same report, "Cuba's foreign debt owed to numerous
| > countries
| > remains unpaid. The Castro regime lacks the resources to even
| > interest on
| > these obligations. Several European governments are now
| > to provide
| > further export credit to Cuba. According to a Reuters report
| > July 6, 2002,
| > ‚?~the island is notorious for paying its debts late . . .
| > public and
| > private creditors report that the situation has grown much
| > in recent
| > months.‚?T As The Economist noted in May 2001, ‚?~France,
| > South Africa
| > have recently cut off further credit to Cuba, in a bid to
| > back some of
| > what they are owed.‚?T"
| > I am willing to say it out loud. If the U.S. government
| > farmers to
| > extend credit to Cuba, and, true to form, Cuba doesn‚?Tt pay,
| > U.S.
| > government will be obligated to save the U.S. farmers who
| > (seemingly) put
| > their trust in the U.S. government by extending the credit. I
| > "seemingly"
| > because, now that I‚?Tve said it out loud, the U.S. farmers
| > the dangers of
| > selling to Cuba on credit.
| > Once the U.S. government pays Castro‚?Ts debts for him, then
| > tax money
| > will be used to support a tyranny. Isn‚?Tt there a little
| > issue here?
| > But greed is very powerful. And apparently our businessmen
| > farmers don‚?Tt
| > care about who would eventually be paying, as long as they
| > their
| > profits. Our politicians, supposedly, must protect the
| > of their
| > constituency, who are taxpayers and who will eventually be
| > with the
| > bill for the irresponsibility of this small but powerful
| > interest
| > group.
| > Soon in Congress and with the help of the well-financed
| > pro-Castro lobby on
| > Capitol Hill, politicians will try to pass, and probably will
| > with flying
| > colors, another similar action in favor of easing the U.S.
| > embargo, giving
| > another victory to the old and now "untouchable"
| > of Cuba.
| > That victory will be one more defeat for the Cuban people
| > it will
| > prolong their suffering.
| > But there are no moral principles driving our
| > greed. Just look
| > at China, where, thanks to American businessmen, it has
| > more powerful
| > and threatening to the U.S. than ever and the three decades
| > "engagement"
| > has not brought the oppressed Chinese people any closer to
| > democracy.
| > Castro‚?Ts ‚?~Engagement‚?T With the World
| > Usually unmentioned during times of "I know, let‚?Ts lift
| > embargo!" the
| > U.S. embargo says nothing about Cuba‚?Ts trade with the rest
| > world. Has
| > his "engagement" with the rest of the world made him change
| > political
| > posture, improve human rights or the living conditions for
| > Cuban people?
| > Obviously not. Any benefit Cuba gains from the engagements
| > for Castro,
| > not the people.
| > Has international business engagement brought a change in
| > ‚?Ts
| > intentions about the future of Cuba? Obviously not, as he
| > continues with his
| > tired, old "Socialism or death!," which Cubans on the island
| > changed to
| > "Socialism is death!"
| > So, where is the logic in the argument that lifting the U.S.
| > embargo, giving
| > his regime credit and flooding his bankrupt economy with U.S.
| > tourist dollars
| > will encourage him to mend his ways?
| > The fallacious engagement theory that Castro‚?Ts apologists,
| > supporters and
| > lobbyists on Capitol Hill, accompanied by the greedy U.S.
| > business community,
| > have been using to justify their despicable actions, is that
| > will bring
| > change and improve the living conditions in Cuba. Also the
| > concept that
| > exposing Cubans to American tourists will bring new ideas and
| > will foster a
| > tilt toward democracy, is simply unrealistic.
| > Cuba‚?Ts Apartheid
| > Cuba is an apartheid society where ordinary Cubans are not
| > allowed in the
| > tourist areas - except as servants and security agents to
| > tourists under
| > control and separated from the rest of the population.
| > Cubans are
| > penalized for mingling with tourists.
| > Cubans are painfully aware who has been helped by
| > The ventures
| > with foreign companies are all administered by the armed
| > and the
| > secret police. The payoff is only for Castro ‚?" keeping him
| > power and
| > repressing the people. Ordinary Cuban citizens are not
| > enter into
| > partnerships with foreigners.
| > The Cubans who work in these international businesses are
| > that these
| > foreign companies pay salaries in U.S. dollars to Castro and
| > in turn pays
| > them a very small fraction in worthless Cuban pesos. They are
| > aware that as
| > workers for these foreign companies, they have no bargaining
| > rights. They are
| > aware of the differences between the opportunities of
| > and those of
| > the ordinary natives ‚?" thus their hatred for the resulting
| > apartheid.
| > This whole process sets up a hatred for the foreign
| > because the
| > ordinary Cubans are not only taken advantage of by Castro but
| > the
| > international business community.
| > Canadians, Mexicans, Spaniards and other Europeans are
| > vacationing in
| > Castroland and having the audacity to buy vacation places
| > while Cubans
| > are risking their lives ‚?" 85,876 deaths so far - trying to
| > from that
| > "foreigners-only paradise."
| > And apparently the greed extends to U.S. businessmen,
| > the moral
| > issues of the welfare of the expendable little Cubans.
| > The ‚?~Politically Correct‚?T Mantra
| > Many U.S. businessmen keep trying to join the herd of
| > by
| > pressuring the Bush administration to change U.S. policy
| > Cuba. The
| > efforts of the pro-Castro lobby in the U.S. have been to
| > politicians, and the American people - with the full
| > collaboration of the
| > U.S. media and academia - that lifting the embargo against
| > will foster
| > change in Cuba toward democracy.
| > That has become the "politically correct" mantra, while
| > "politically
| > correctly" maligning, censoring and discrediting the Cuban
| > Americans that
| > oppose the lifting of the U.S. embargo.
| > This heavily orchestrated campaign has succeeded to
| > misinform the
| > American people to a point that they have become insensitive
| > the Cuban
| > tragedy. And Americans traveling illegally to Cuba through
| > countries
| > has become "chic." And to encourage this illegality,
| > immigration
| > officials do not stamp their U.S. passports.
| > I often think how ironic it is for the Americans to want to
| > visit a country
| > where 90% of the enslaved population wants to get the hell
| > there. The
| > happy-go-lucky vacationers seem to have no problem with being
| > served by the
| > slaves.
| I didn't know Castro was holding people against there will?
| I thought he opened the prisons and let anyone leave who wanted
| > Demanding a unilateral change of policy from the U.S.
| > demanding that
| > Castro and communism must go from Cuba is hypocritical and a
| > crime against
| > the suffering Cuban people. Lifting the U.S. embargo is not
| > answer;
| > disinvestment is the moral thing to do.
| The USA is not suppose to be in the business of overthrowing
| just because they are under a dictator. Most banana Republics
| > By exploiting the situation in Cuba because of greed, the
| > business
| > community becomes a collaborator and partner in Castro‚?Ts
| How is selling needed products to Cuba partnering in crime?
| > Cubans are crying for an end to their misery and are not
| > to forget and
| > forgive those who collaborated with their oppressor.
| Why is it that most of the crying that is going on is by
| and not Castro Cubans?
| > The people who love freedom and democracy in the U.S. should
| > want the same
| > for Cuba. They should urge all those politicians responding
| > the pressures
| > of the pro-Castro lobby on Capitol Hill and greedy U.S.
| > businessmen yearning
| > for the imaginary profits promised by the propaganda
| > a bankrupt
| > regime, to stop their immoral drive and instead help by
| > disinvesting in Cuba
| > to help get rid of the last tyranny in the Americas.
| Do you want to see the people in Cuba continue to suffer
| Opening up trade sounds like a step in the right direction.
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