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From: "Pedro Martori"
References: escribiÃ³ en el mensaje
| "PL" wrote in message
| > "Dan Christensen" wrote in message
| > > The groundless comparison of the U.S. embargo with the
| > > sanctions
| > (snip)
| > The comparison is valid:
| Another lie.
| > 1. in both countries certain groups (based on ethnic /
| > background or race) were given priviledges dehumanizing
| You are comparing tourist-only facilities in Cuba with the
| apartheid regime guilty of the systematic kidnapping, torture
| murder of its opponents? You ARE getting desperate.
SO THEN IT IS .......tourist apartheid.... or discrimination
against the cubans...in resort areas.
| > 2. both countries have systems limiting the freedom of
| > (part of) their nationals
| Anyone can get on a bus and go anywhere they want. Because of
| shortages, there are limits on where you can establish
| what? I guess you look favourably on the slums and shanty towns
| surrounding all those capitalist paradises in Latin America.
Why am I
| not surpirsed?
and why do cubans have to ask permission to leave that Gulag ?
or why do cuban nationals have to ask permission to re-enter or
visit...that gulag ?
Tell us Dan : DO YOU ASK THE CANADIAN GOVMT. PERMISSION TO LEAVE
THE COUNTRY OR TO RE-ENTER ONCE OUT OF IT ?
AND please tell us which are the nations where its citizen must
ask permissions, pay high fees too, | to travel out of their
onw countries ?
| > 3. both are undemocratic regimes denying the majority of the
| > free and fairt elections
| Cuba's elections are among the most democratic in the world.
| regardless of economic circumstances, has an equal right and
| opportunity to nominate and run for public office. In the rest
| Americas, we can only dream of such rights! And judging by
| election result since the triumph of the Revolution, the
| enjoys the overwhelming support of the Cuban people. Even
| Cuban dissident, Elizardo Sanchez, has grudgingly admitted
| good reasons, the majority support the Revolution.
By all the logics, standards and precedental exemples : cuban
do not celebrate elections but rather a selection
where there is no other party than the one ruling and
controlling the whole society and nation.
Thus it can be a Democratic regime or society as well undersood
and convened universally by all the human race.
| > 4. both violated freedom of speech and savagely treat those
| > disagree with the system (UMAP)
| Dissidents in Cuba have almost no public support--even
| CIA reports (NBC News). And the majority fully supports the
That's inexact ! The majority would declare publicly their
support to the dissidents if they would not fear retaliatory
by the repressive police and system unde r which they crave of
misery and sufferings.
And all this is being acknowledged by the numerous visitors or
tourists that didn't know to what extend repression and Human
Rights Violations take place in that Gulag... if that's true the
CIA has reported such a thing..then they should re-assess their
info on Cuba...for they are dead wrong...no wonders there are
| > 5. human rights were violated in both cases on a regular
| Certainly no worse than the rest of Latin America. See Amnesty
| Internationals 2002 summary for the Americas.
Dare to make a table of comparison...within the framework of time
and causes for those violations ?
I guess not...you won't !
| > 6 economic wealth was reserved for elites.
| There is no reliable evidence that the Cuban leadership lives
| other than modest lifestyles. Remember that even Forbes had to
| that it had no real evidence to contrary--their lies were based
| pure speculation!
JA,JA, almost every cuban on the island knows how the elite
but they can't do anything about it neither say a word or
| And if this is a crime that justifies sanctions, then we must
| them on ALL capitalist regimes in Latin America! Cuba, with its
| limited resources maintains the best health and education
| Latin America. What are the excuses of Mexico and Brazil, for
| with all their resources? The fact is they are NOT real
| The economies there are run not for the benefit of all the
| in Cuba, but to serve the interests of the pampering,
none of the govmts. in Latin America commits the violations in
the same systematic,
regular and methodical ways that kastro's regime does...neither
under the same motives or causes.
and none is free of critizism from the medias...which are
independent and free not like in the gulag...
except for the coming dictatorship in Venezuela...if it ever
succed to take power and keep it.
| Here again, we see how PL will say ANYTHING to ensure that the
| people are punished for their continued defiance of his
| masters in Miami.
another lie from you...or a twisted argument...nobody here,
neither does Paul is agaist the cuban people !
but YES ! we are against the crimminal dictator who makes cubans
suffer and escape by the thousands from their own land every
Even the dissidents in Cuba are opposed to the
| embargo. But, to PL and his mafia pals, they are nothing more
| useful idiots--hired help--whose opinions don't matter. Miami
| best, right, Paul?
| (See "Cuba Under Siege" and "Democracy in Cuba" at my webpage
| http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html )
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