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References: Steve wrote:
>> Vince Brannigan wrote:
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> Vince Brannigan wrote:
>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>> Vince Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>>> Safety note, unrelated to debate
>>>>>>> not in the USA if it's a fire truck In general only police
>>>>>>> officers have the authority to overrule traffic signals for
>>>>>>> civilian vehicles.
>>>>>> ok. I said I was through but this is too much. SAW ME ONE CODE
>>>>>> SECTION THAT SAYS THIS.
>>>>> I think you said you were a georgia lawyer
>>>>> My records say this is the georgia code
>>>>> (a) The driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions
>>>>> of an official traffic-control device applicable thereto,
>>>>> placed in accordance with this chapter, unless otherwise
>>>>> directed by a police officer, subject to the exceptions
>>>>> granted the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle in this
>>>>> The driver of an emergency vehicle can go through the light but
>>>>> only a police officer can direct a civilian vehicle to disobey
>>>>> the signal
>>>> You should be more careful of your reading of the GA code.
>>>> (a) Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency
>>>> vehicle or a vehicle belonging to a federal, state, or local law
>>>> enforcement agency making use of an audible signal and visual
>>>> signals meeting the requirements of Code Section 40-6-6, the
>>>> driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right of way and
>>>> shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close
>>>> as possible to, the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear
>>>> of any intersection and shall stop and remain in such position
>>>> until the authorized emergency vehicle or law enforcement
>>>> vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police
>>>> (b) This Code section shall not operate to relieve the driver of
>>>> any authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due
>>>> regard for the safety of all persons using the highway.
>>>> No person shall fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or
>>>> direction of any police officer, fireman, police volunteer
>>>> authorized under Code Section 35-1-11, or school-crossing guard
>>>> designated by a local law enforcement agency invested by law with
>>>> authority to direct, control, or regulate traffic.
>>>> So the Fireman can stand there and direct traffic in disregard for
>>>> the traffic control devices in place.
>>> This section gives no authority. e.g. what makes it a "lawful order
>>> " to go through a red light on the command of a school crossing
>>> guard? can they make them "police officers" under the statute or
>>> does it just mean that if they say "don't park here" it becomes
>>> unlawful to park?
>>> the power to make something other wise lawful unlawful for the
>>> duration of an emergency is not the same as the power to make what
>>> is unlawful lawful
>> The code section does not limit it to police officers, it goes on to
>> list the crossing guard or fireman.
> if they are issuing a lawful order. it does not give them the
> authority to overrule a red light. only a police officer has that
>> And using your argument then there is a
>> problem with what is a lawful order by even the police officer . I
>> suppose you think you can drive past the fireman when the light
>> turns green and drive over the firehoses and down the street.
> no. certianly under the statutye a firmena can tell me to stop i.e.
> he can make weaht woul other wise be lawful unlawful. what he cannot
> do is make lawful waht woudl other sie be unlawful i.e. running a red
> light withotu a direct order from a prolice officer.
Stopping in the street is illegal. So, now the fireman is making an illegal
act legal. Of course according to most your thread since no judge or jury
has convicted anyone yet its not an illegal act.
No traffic you just want to drive home down your same street. But the
fireman directs you to stop. Do you stop, or do you go. He is not an
official traffic-control device nor his he a police officer.
Based on your argument you could not even pull through a stop sign. Since
there is traffic on the road you have yield to them. They don't have to
yield to you( in fact it would be unlawful for them to stop) and since you
have the road blocked the Fire Truck has to wait for you to go. But the
other traffic never has to stop to let you out so the Fire Truck is stuck
because the other traffic cannot legally stop in the road since they don't
have a stop sign and there is no police officer to stop them. It becomes a
real catch 22. That is if you accept your logic. Which I have never seen
accepted by the officers writing the tickets for disregarding the fireman
who told you to illegally stop in the street, or because you would not pull
out of the way of the Fire Truck at the stop sign, or the Judges as they
fine you for doing so.
(a) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or the
directions of a police officer or official traffic-control device, no person
(1) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
(A) On the roadway side of any vehicle stopped or parked at the
edge of a curb of a street;
(B) On a sidewalk;
(C) Within an intersection;
(D) On a crosswalk;
(E) Between a safety zone and the adjacent curb or within 30
feet of points on the curb immediately opposite the ends of a
safety zone, unless a different length is indicated by signs or
(F) Alongside or opposite any street excavation or obstruction
when stopping, standing, or parking would obstruct traffic;
(G) Upon any bridge or other elevated structure upon a highway
or within a highway tunnel;
(H) On any railroad tracks;
(I) On any controlled-access highway;
(J) In the area between roadways of a divided highway, including
(K) At any place where official signs prohibit stopping;
(2) Stand or park a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except
momentarily to pick up or discharge a passenger or passengers:
(A) In front of a public or private driveway;
(B) Within 15 feet of a fire hydrant;
(C) Within 20 feet of a crosswalk at an intersection;
(D) Within 30 feet upon the approach to any flashing signal,
stop sign, yield sign, or traffic-control signal located at the
side of a roadway;
(E) Within 20 feet of the driveway entrance to any fire station
or on the side of a street opposite the entrance to any fire
station within 75 feet of such entrance (when properly posted);
(F) At any place where official signs prohibit standing; or
(3) Park a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except temporarily
for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or
unloading property or passengers:
(A) Within 50 feet of the nearest rail of a railroad crossing;
(B) At any place where official signs prohibit parking.
(b) No person shall move a vehicle not lawfully under his control
into any prohibited area or to such a distance away from the curb as
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any vehicle used
solely for the purpose of collecting municipal solid waste or
recovered materials as defined in Code Section 12-8-22 may stop or
stand on the road, street, or highway for the sole purpose of
collecting such waste or materials; provided, however, that such
vehicle shall maintain flashing hazard lights at all times that it
is engaged in stopping or standing for the purpose of waste or
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