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References: Steve wrote:
>>> no. certianly under the statute a fierman can tell me to stop i.e.
>>> he can make what would other wise be lawful unlawful. what he
>>> cannot do is make lawful what would otherwise be unlawful i.e.
>>> running a red light withotu a direct order from a rolice officer.>
>> Stopping in the street is illegal.
> citation? since when is topping as such unlawful? If the road is
> blocked is it unlawful to stop?
>> So, now the fireman is making an illegal
>> act legal. Of course according to most your thread since no judge
>> or jury has convicted anyone yet its not an illegal act.No traffic
>> you just want to drive home down your same street. But the
>> fireman directs you to stop. Do you stop, or do you go. He is not an
>> official traffic-control device nor his he a police officer.
> if he directs you to stop it is a lawful order. stopping per se is
> not unlawful.
> or give acite?
>> Based on your argument you could not even pull through a stop sign.
> without stopping no, only a police officer can order you to ignore a
> stop sign
>> there is traffic on the road you have yield to them. They don't
>> have to yield to you( in fact it would be unlawful for them to stop)
>> and since you have the road blocked the Fire Truck has to wait for
>> you to go.
> cite for the unlawful stop
>> But the
>> other traffic never has to stop to let you out so the Fire Truck is
>> stuck because the other traffic cannot legally stop in the road
>> since they don't have a stop sign and there is no police officer to
>> stop them. It becomes a real catch 22. That is if you accept your
>> logic. Which I have never seen accepted by the officers writing the
>> tickets for disregarding the fireman who told you to illegally stop
>> in the street, or because you would not pull out of the way of the
>> Fire Truck at the stop sign, or the Judges as they fine you for
>> doing so.
>> (a) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic,
> did you see this part? so it is not unlawful to stop if a fireman
> tells you. since he constituttes other traffic
> or else, you are correct and ait takes a police officer.
> it is nto unusual to have a heierarcy of requrirements.
>> or the
>> directions of a police officer or official traffic-control device,
>> no person shall:
>> (1) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
>> (A) On the roadway side of any vehicle stopped or parked at the
>> edge of a curb of a street;
>> (B) On a sidewalk;
>> (C) Within an intersection;
>> (D) On a crosswalk;
>> (E) Between a safety zone and the adjacent curb or within 30
>> feet of points on the curb immediately opposite the ends of a
>> safety zone, unless a different length is indicated by signs or
>> (F) Alongside or opposite any street excavation or obstruction
>> when stopping, standing, or parking would obstruct traffic;
>> (G) Upon any bridge or other elevated structure upon a highway
>> or within a highway tunnel;
>> (H) On any railroad tracks;
>> (I) On any controlled-access highway;
>> (J) In the area between roadways of a divided highway,
>> including crossovers; or
>> (K) At any place where official signs prohibit stopping;
>> (2) Stand or park a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except
>> momentarily to pick up or discharge a passenger or passengers:
>> (A) In front of a public or private driveway;
>> (B) Within 15 feet of a fire hydrant;
>> (C) Within 20 feet of a crosswalk at an intersection;
>> (D) Within 30 feet upon the approach to any flashing signal,
>> stop sign, yield sign, or traffic-control signal located at the
>> side of a roadway;
>> (E) Within 20 feet of the driveway entrance to any fire station
>> or on the side of a street opposite the entrance to any fire
>> station within 75 feet of such entrance (when properly posted);
>> (F) At any place where official signs prohibit standing; or
>> (3) Park a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except temporarily
>> for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or
>> unloading property or passengers:
>> (A) Within 50 feet of the nearest rail of a railroad crossing;
>> (B) At any place where official signs prohibit parking.
>> (b) No person shall move a vehicle not lawfully under his control
>> into any prohibited area or to such a distance away from the curb
>> as is unlawful.
>> (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any vehicle used
>> solely for the purpose of collecting municipal solid waste or
>> recovered materials as defined in Code Section 12-8-22 may stop or
>> stand on the road, street, or highway for the sole purpose of
>> collecting such waste or materials; provided, however, that such
>> vehicle shall maintain flashing hazard lights at all times that it
>> is engaged in stopping or standing for the purpose of waste or
>> materials collection.
> noone of thsi proves anthing.
Now the fireman is traffic. Please. So he is in an intersection, car on
fire. He directs you through the red light. The other lane is blocked so
it cant go anyway. Guess you don't go. The fireman is not traffic. And if
he is not blocking your lane then I guess there is no conflict. So you could
This is all for me. I am killing this thread because the simple fact you
have an unreal view of the law. At no time in law school or in the practice
of law have I ever seen anyone, including a few on the edge jail house
lawyers, come up with the unrealistic and insane attempts to twist the law,
its purpose and meanings the way you have in this thread. Yes thats just my
opinion, as this thread has been yours. I would argue that mine would (and
do) hold water in court, and yours would not.
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