From: "Roger R."
References: <3DDAF1A9.644AE40E@derechos.org> <3DDAFD5F.firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Chipping Away at Liberty
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:12 EST
Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:22:12 GMT
"Werner Hetzner" wrote in message
> Liberty has been chipped away for decades. This is why we have agencies
> of all kinds telling us how to behave in practically all aspects of our
> I personally think relying on Homeland S to save our ass is like relying
> of HHS to end poverty. But I appreciate the fact that they are supposed
> to try to save your ass. You should appreciate that too. Sometimes you
> just have to sacrifice your email to keep your ass.
> You and I should both hope the HS offices will be positioned in likely
> target areas. Otherwise we can forget it.
Yeah, the Geheimestatzpolitzei were established to centrally control the
police forces in Nazi Germany to protect the people from violence,
Communists and other leftists, too. [The name was shortened to the Gestapo.]
The Homeland Security Department puts the mechanism in place for such a
centralizatin, and the ability Bush or any other President will have to hire
and fire employees at will is going to make it very easy to politicize the
The $200 million given to Admiral Poindexter in the Homeland Security Bill
to set up files on every American resident from every available source is
designed to protect us, also. That will include your message traffic on the
internet, the books you buy or check out from the library, and your tax
records. If you decide you want to read the 'Turner Diary' or the 'Anarchist
Cookbook' you can plan on a knock on your door by an agent of the Department
of homeland Security. Don't you feel safer already?
Your only protection is going to be the Courts - but wait - Bush will be
packing the Courts with extreme right-wing law-and-order judges who don't
believe that there is any right to privacy.
But even with conservative judges, they might follow the law. What if you
can't even get into court? Unfortunately, if the Courts support him,
Ashcroft has already established that if the Department of Justice declares
an American citizen an enemy Combatant, he or she has no right to habeas
corpus, to a trial, or to even contact an attorney. As of right now, the
Attorney General has the legal power to declare any one of us an Enemy
Combatant and put us in prison for an indefinite period. We don't even have
the right to know why he made that declaration. He has that power because he
has used it, and no one has stopped him.
> Paul Wolf wrote:
> > Chipping Away at Liberty
> > The Washington Post, Nov. 19, 2002
> > UNTIL YESTERDAY