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Subject: Comrade Patrick L. Humphrey Chooses to Ignore FACTS and Make Personal Attacks I
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:59:07 -0600
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:54:07 -0600,
"Patrick L. Humphrey" wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:37:10 -0600, Tavish
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:34:48 -0500,
>>>In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
>>> Paul Kneisel wrote:
>>>> However, I find it useful to illustrate the abstract nature of fascist
>>>> belief and action with concrete examples. Can you think of a better example
>>>> of a concrete nature than ol' Scot Bradbury?
I gave concrete examples proving you are a RED.
>>>Yes. David Michael. Bradbury is so screwed up that anyone can see he's a
>>>few crayons short a Crayola box of 64. He's so exaggerated and over the
>>>top that he's a caricature of fascistic beliefs.
>> All I have done is quote "Paul Kneisel" to prove he's a communist yet all you
>> can do is make personal attacks! What does this say about you?
I quoted "Comrade Paul Kneisel" again in this reply and everyone take note how
my FACTS are responded to with Soviet Style Smears.
>All you've done. Scott, is screech "Peter Outerbridge is a Communist!", while
>not bothering to provide any proof at all. That says a few things about you,
I have provided proofs and they have been ignored and now I repeat but a few
examples of many (what does this say of you?):
What is this?
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 -- 6:38
Date: 5 Aug 2002 23:38:07 -0500
"...It is our strategy that participation and intervention in these struggles,
from an anarchist-communist viewpoint... Slowly building a base for a truly mass
revolutionary anarchist movement capable of defeating not only fascist
organizations but also the combined forces of capital and the state."
Your fellow comrade was speaking in first person when he made the above
statement!!! Who else other than a communist would say such!?!?!
Why are you in such denial Patrick?
I have provided many more too but you ignored them!
Here is "Paul Kneisel" linking himself to communists from his web site
Traditional Anti-Fascist Groups
Fascism victimized many groups with its crimes against humanity...
Three groups, however, understood the special nature of fascism even before it
took power... They were, respectively, the labor movement, the socialists, and
The Second 'Socialist' International <>
Reflecting the politics of the Third 'Communist' International
World Communist Movement Links
The communist movement of youth, students and young workers is on the move in
most countries today. Check out the activities of communist youth organizations
from this partial list of links.
Kommunistischer Studentinn/ en Verband (KSV) Communist Students Union of Austria
Kommunistische Jugend Österreichs (KJÖ) Communist Youth of Austria
Coletius de Juventut Comunista de Catalunya (CJC) Communist Youth of Catalonia
Juventud Comunista Colombiana (JUCO) Colombian Young Communists
United Democratic Youth Organization of Cyprus (EDON)
Kommunistisk Parti i Danmark Ungdom (KPID-U) Youth of the Communist Party in
Mouvement Jeunes Communistes du France (MCJF) Movement of Young Communists of
Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterjugend (SDAJ) Socialist German Workers Youth
Communist Youth of Greece (KNE)
Workers Youth Party of Ireland (WPY)
Giovani Communisti /e (GC) Young Communists of Italy
Democratic Youth League of Japan (DYLJ)
Norges Kommunistiske Ungdomsforbund (NKU) Norwegian Communist Youth Union
Juventude Comunista Portuguesa (JCP) Portugese Communist Youth.
Sveriges Kommunistiska Ungdomsförbund (SKU) Swedish Communist Youth Union
Union de Juventudes Communistas de España Union of Young Communists of Spain
AND here is the New York State Communist Party USA linking to "Paul Kneisel's"
New York State Communist Party USA
Anti-Fascist Web Site
Fascism, the most evil child of capitalism, threatens all working class people
and all progressive organizations... To see how we can fight fascism, please
read the articles on the following web and FTP sites:
Who other than a communist has such views as these or endorses such:
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tue, 15 October 2002 -- 6:58 (#706)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:32:07 -0400
"-- Call for a Revolutionary Anti-Fascist Bloc... Perhaps five hundred
anti-fascist demonstrators were there... Most of the demonstrators were part of
leftist groups like Left Turn, InternationalSocialist Organization (ISO), and
Anti-Capitalist Convergence (ACC)....
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: TINAF Supplement #188 (#677): Fascist Le Pen and the French
Date: 30 Apr 2002 23:17:36 -0500
"The hope it's also the youth which fights massively against the capitalist
globalization and the fascism. I address all the left voters, the socialists,
the environmentalist communists but also the associative, union activists to
organize a popular resistance on the way up of the extreme right, in a big
all together against the fascism and the employers."
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: Re: WV Did NOT Lie about the anti-Klan rally
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:57:39 -0400
"Diamond must mean neofascist Russia, neofascist because it worships
Is "Paul Kneisel" upset because the Russians forsook their communism!
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: (en) The Internet Anti-Fascist: Sun, 17 May 98--2:30 (#113)
NEW FINISH ANTI-FASCIST WEB SITE
The Anti-Fascist Action in Finland has new WWW pages at address
. We hope you visit there!
Yours in Solidarity,
Antifascist Action -- Finland
Against Racism, Sexism, Capitalism and Homophobia
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Anti-fascism is equated with being against capitalism!!
Here is "Paul Kneisel" advocating schools educate against anti-communism among
other things (who other than a communist would be against being
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: (en)[excerpts] The Internet Anti-Fascist, Fri 14 May 99 -- 3:36/37
"The prescription for the political illness of fascism is education...
Teachers, school administrators, students and parents need to recognize
and talk frankly about the dangers posed by fascist organizers in their
midst or on the internet... [T]he response should be.. why the whole student
body has an interest in taking a stand against... anti-communism, "
Here is "Paul Kneisel" eulogizing two dead communists (if a person were to do
the same about Nazis would he not be branded a Nazi himself?):
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tue, 10 September 2002 -- 6:46
Date: 11 Sep 2002 23:10:27 -0500
02) French War Hero, Resistance Leader Rol-Tanguy Dies
9 Sep 02
PARIS -- French war hero and Communist activist Henri Rol-Tanguy, a leading
figure in the armed resistance against Nazi occupation during World War II,
has died, the Communist Party said on Monday...
"We will all miss him, but no one will forget his example," the Communist
Party's national secretary and president, Marie-George Buffet and Robert
Hue, said in a published letter to Tanguy's wife, Cecile, who survives him.
Born in the northwest coastal town of Morlaix in 1908 to a junior navy
officer and a laundrywoman, Tanguy developed a strong interest in politics
and after moving to Paris aged 15 to start work as a foundryman he joined
the Young Communists.
After retiring from the army in 1962, he turned to politics again and was a
member of the central committee of the French Communist Party from 1964 to
"With Rol, we lose a man of exception whose whole existence was a fight for
justice, progress and liberty," said Buffet and Hue.
Tanguy died overnight. He was 94.
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Here is another obituary "Paul Kneisel" posted in honor of his fellow fallen
comrades. If "Paul Kneisel" isn't an admirer of communists then why does he dote
on their deaths?
The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 19 Dec 2000 -- 4:102 (#498)
by Paul Kneisel
21 December 2000 03:29 UTC
Ralph Bates: Writer who kept his devotion to republican Spain alive in
his novels Valentine Cunningham (Guardian) 12 Dec 00
Ralph Bates, who has died in New York, aged 101, was the oldest
survivor of that legendary group of British writers who gave their energies,
their writings, and - in some cases - their lives to the cause of the
Spanish republic in its doomed fight against fascism in the 1930s.
At some point in the 15 years before the Spanish civil war broke out
in 1937, he was a communist trade union agitator and organiser in the
docks and fishing industries of Catalonia, where he became a fluent speaker
of Spanish and Catalan. His knowledge of Spanish working-class and
peasant life would turn him into one of the Comintern's best experts on Spain.
....By 1923 he had joined the Communist party....
In 1937, Bates was sent by the Communist party to the United States to
drum up financial support and attract more volunteers. There were huge
rallies in venues such as Madison Square Gardens, and he became a darling of
the American left...
In one of his best Spanish pieces, Compa Sagasta Burns A Church,
published in Left Review in October 1936, Bates pays understanding
tribute to the Spanish anarchist's need to calmly burn out the signs and
symbols of religious oppression; he was very ready to go along with what WH
Auden called "the necessary murder" in a revolutionary cause. But he also
dwells compellingly on the fatalism of anarchists - the belief that, at
bottom, anarchism, "noble, just and beautiful", is "unrealizable" and
When he wrote this, Bates's line was that, by contrast, communism was
not only noble but also realisable...
Material proving socialism is a transitory stage to communism:
Taken from: Committee of Correspondence
The stimulus for writing this essay came out of the ongoing effort within the
left to reconstitute a new vision of socialism. To date, I find a healthy
openness to new ways of thinking about the relation of democracy to the
socialist project, and a renewed committment to struggle "in the long haul".
However, except for the attempts at scientific utopias  in the Green and
futurist literature, there is little in the new declarations of socialists 
that excites the imagination. This short-coming will surely be a handicap in
attracting youth. We are not being as "radical as reality itself", to borrow a
phrase from Lenin.  The ecological question is still being relegated to a
laundry list of needs and demands, instead of being at the heart of our vision.
And, in the apparent desire to avoid alienating potential recruits, many
marxists/ socialists are avoiding the "C" word (Communism) like the plague.
Let us recall for a moment Marx and Engels' concept of socialism as the lower
stage of communism and, thus, a transition between capitalism and the higher
stage of communism.....
Notice the phrase which said: "...in the apparent desire to avoid alienating
potential recruits, many marxists/ socialists are avoiding the "C" word
(Communism) like the plague."
The above and the below is what "Paul Kneisel" and his fellow travelers
envision for the rest of us kulaks!
Workers Power Global | Marxism for Beginners
... Transition to communism. ... refined the concept of a "transition society"
and introduced the ... phases. In the first stage, "socialism" as he called it
Transition to communism
Karl Marx was not the first to condemn capitalism for the poverty and inequality
that it creates, neither was he the first to fight for a society in which
poverty and inequality would be eradicated. But he was the first to realise that
capitalism itself would create the forces capable of overthrowing it....
Socialism, understood as a society in which the economy was socially owned and
output was shared equally, would not be created, fully developed, separate from
existing capitalist society. Instead, in historic terms, there would be a period
during which capitalist society would be transformed into socialist society, a
Marx?s political strategy, therefore, had to begin from this understanding of
society; the means of production for a better society already existed, the
working class needed that better society but the capitalists, protected by the
state, were determined to prevent any change. His first attempt to develop a way
of overthrowing this minority was presented in the Communist Manifesto of 1848.
In the Manifesto, Marx not only delivered a devastating attack on capitalism but
set out the measures that a working class government, brought to power by a
democratic revolution, would need to take to begin the transition to socialism.
These included the abolition of private ownership of land, a progressive tax to
drain away the wealth of the capitalists, the centralisation of credit in a
national bank, state ownership of transport and communications, planned
extension of production to meet need and free state education for all children.
In one sense, Marx?s predictions were brilliantly confirmed within months.
Revolutions shook Europe later in 1848. But the course of events revealed a flaw
in this first communist programme....
Marx, therefore, further refined the concept of a "transition society" and
introduced the idea that the development of communist society would take place
in two phases. In the first stage, "socialism" as he called it, the commune
state was still necessary both to defeat all attempts at counter-revolution and
to reconstruct the international economic system on an egalitarian and planned
This, Marx called, the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Dictatorship is
frequently counterposed to democracy. Yet for Marx the concept of dictatorship
was necessary and justified. Indeed, it was a very democratic dictatorship.
Democratic, that is, for the vast majority, the working class; dictatorial over
the bosses who would try to sabotage progress and crush the new regime through
How long this transition would take was not predictable but Marx pointed out
that the more successful the commune was the less necessary it would become.
Once the bourgeoisie had been eliminated as a class, for example, there would be
no need for military organisation or defence expenditure....
Administration would still be necessary but in an egalitarian society this would
not involve the subordination of one part of the population by another, it would
no longer be "political". This would be communist society.
Now watch the defenders of self confessed communist "Paul Kneisel", like Patrick
Humphrey, ignore the self evident truts stated in this reply post by me and make
more personal attacks. What does this say about them!? Communists and their
sympathizers don't like being exposed!!
>>>As such, he is more harm to those who believe similarly than help, as he
>>>"embarrasses the cause," so to speak.
>> Try refuting what I have posted about Comrade Kneisel and prove me wrong
>> rather than taking cheap shots which do not in anyway refute me.
>No one needs to refute you, Scott, when you refute yourself far more
>effectively than anyone else could ever hope to.
That has NOT been done and if you can't see your comrade is a communist from the
above material then you are very closed minded.
>--PL"and have fun being the biggest float in the parade tomorrow"H
Personal attack and cheap shots is all a loser has when he can't make his case
or prove his point with logic and fact. I quoted Paul Kneisel who also applied
for his domain name unxder the name of Peter Outerbridge and who gave a
telephone number for a Joel Mora as this proves:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 05:57:26 -0500,
Paul Kneisel wrote:
>Now, instead of going after Peter Outerbridge the fascists are trying to
>harass Joe Mora.
[A]s for Joel Mora getting harassed-- you're the lying bastard who supplied his
telephone number in your fraudulent application for your anti-fascism.org domain
name. Care to deny you engaged in two identity thefts? You applied for bandwidth
under the name of Peter Outerbridge who really does exist and you supplied Joel
Mora's telephone number. Care to deny it? It was YOU who supplied false
information (and quite deliberately too) in an application for your domain name
Once again Verisign's WhoIs return:
WHOIS Record for
200 East Tenth Street #603
Domain Name: ANTI-FASCISM.ORG
Outerbridge, Peter (PO815) tallpaul@NYCT.NET
200 East Tenth Street #603
New York,, NY 10003
Who supplied the name of Peter Outerbridge and the telephone number of Joel Mora
in the info above? YOU!
Your own ISP referred to you as Peter Outerbridge! Why? He most likely read the
info they have on your domain and who belongs to as this
once again shows:
Received: from bsd4.nyct.net ([22.214.171.124])
by emu (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 18bZGo44s3NZFnx0
for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:44:00 -0800 (PST)
Received: from nyct.net (dhcp2.nyct.net [126.96.36.199])
by bsd4.nyct.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gADFi1c7022049
for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:44:01 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:44:16 -0500
From: "Andrew E. Coren"
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1)
Subject: Re: Your client positively will not stop his defamation against me
Dear Mr. Bradbury,
It is NOT the policy of this ISP to be involved in Internet Users
NETIQUETTE. I will however pass your displeasure onto Peter Outerbridge.
I would ask that he respect all Internet users right to privacy.
Andrew Coren, Ceo.
I would imagine Peter Outerbridge and Joel Mora may be interested in litigating
you for identity theft and perhaps NYCT.NET may want to know why you made false
statements in you application for bandwidth. I imagine the address you gave
<200 East Tenth Street #603> is false too!
In closing I show what another person posted:
From: Nomen Nescio
Subject: America's hypocrisy when it comes to dealing with communists
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:10:09 +0100 (CET)
Why did American boys die in Viet Nam? We were told we must guard the world
from communism and its spread. We had the domino effect drummed into our heads
weekly and we were told if we let South Viet Nam fall then one country after
another would become communist. American boys went and died on the behalf of
the South Viet Namese so they would not be overtaken by communist rule.
If America went to war and killed communists in order to preserve South Viet
Nam from a communist take over then why won't America wage war against the
communists who seek to dominate us within our own national boundaries now?
Are North Viet Namese communists more communist than the communists America
now tolerates in our Congress and in teaching positions in our colleges?
Aren't our communists good enough to kill? Why did over 70,000 Americans die
on foreign soil to save America from communism when nothing is being done
on the homefront? We were told it was in America's interests for Americans
to die in Viet Nam and Americans were fighting in Viet Name to keep communism
from spreading to America. I have news; communists operate with complete freedom
in America and there is something definitely wrong with it happening....
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