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From: gubnah_hypcrthntr@www.limbo.gov.su.us (The Voltairian™/Black Jester™/Closet Libert Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol,alt.politics.libertarian,bc.politics,alt.sex.strip-clubs,van Subject: LIBTR; BCP; BC; VAN; VANG: Father Bugger The Lay Priest, Pun Intended. :ASS-C; Organization: Closet Libertarian™/Black Magus™/Bible Thumper™/Blow Load™ NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:21:35 EST Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:28:03 GMT The Pandamia of evil sociopathic perverts in the Catholic Priesthood is getting plenty of exposure, and I can't help but think that is a good thing, especially when I am a Roman Catholic and belong to a religion and am of a country (US of A) that allows me the right to think, question and debate issues. That is unless you take crap from psuedo-catholic break off groups who are basically cult mirror images of the real thing. The only problem with this, is that you would think, by the non-egalitarian attention paid to this, that they are the only ones doing this; they are not, they are just a good target by pimping parents and lawyers who like to screw over anyone with money and of course a Iluminatic world of media intervention. The NSA deciding who and what gets said and exposed months after the story is done and before it is provided to the masses. This including election results. Fact one/Question: The ignorance of priests is no doubt a problem, this "they are misunderstood and mentally ill" bull shit. Sociopaths are incurable evil low lifes. This isn't personal, it's just a fact; a sociopath has no business being a priest or out of any prison. Fact Two/Question: Priest and so on could stand to know something about sociology, psychology and psychiatry; they seem rather ignorant regarding this. Fact Three/Question: The Catholic Church (TRC) gets sued and all parishoners and dioceans get the shaft, why should they and their children suffer because and individual defrauds the church and violates their vows. Whether it's some lieing Cardinal or some perverted paedophile? They shouldn't. This is unjust. Fact Four/Question: One Reason for some assumed cover ups can be the presumption of innocence and the separation of church and state clause that both institutions follow. The church needs to assess and try a accused priest before ousting them and having the authorities get a shot at them, and if the authorities want them first, they have to operate in the same manner. Naturally a conviction in the US courts should be enough for a priest to be defrocked. Fact Five/Question: Innoncence till proven guilty is a belief in roman catholocism and it is in US law and any other Natural Law based legal system, in part, if not in full. Fact/Question Six: The NSA protect paedophiles on a daily basis with the help of the US government, why are these priests and cardinals so special? Some protected are Jesuits or Knights of Columbus or belong to some other fringe group of friars and cults. Fact/Question Seven: Why sue for money, when one can sue to have papers released and prosecuted, is the child's innocents somehow something worth charging for? Would it be OK if the priest went to a Kiddy Stroll and paid up front with the parishoner's donations? Fact/Question Eight: Why single out one faith? Why ignore cults? Fact/Question: Nine: Priests Are Individuals, and they pledge a vow of celibacy, therefore they are not true to there vow nor there vocation; they are not priests when engaging in any sexual activity wether the other wants it or not. They defrauded the church. The Church does not molest anyone, it is a series of buildings and charities that exhist as artificial relms for the faith to live within as a safe haven and a place of safety. It does not live or make decisions, it is administrated by individuals who make vows as well. Any cover up is an individual decision, even conspiring is individual to each part a person plays in it, most especially when the theology or philosophy disallows the practice. Fact/Question Ten: To engage in acts that the theology of the faith you preach in a building or session of faith or as a vocation you are committing fraud. Fact/Question Eleven: A non-celebet priest is lay; so a panal of lay Catholics is a load of bullshit and won't help anyone. If anything it's lay Catholics offering protection to pervert priests and giving others the run around, even fooling idiot clergy to sign stuff they don't even read. In Conclusion: These Lawsuits and The Media Coverage is unfare to Roman Catholics and Unfair to those of other faiths and is a violation of people's right to practice a religion [A belief in one god] of their choice without harrasment. Docta Gov. Admr. Count Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday; PhG™/D Aka The Pyromaniac of Madison County. Writer, Humorist, and everything else under the moon. [Also said to be a multi-trilionare businessman and Navy SEAL] Vancouver, Neo Sumer/Olympia, Washington/Who knows where else... The Official Black Jester Website: http://www.blackjester.com/ My Ego Times: http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/ Dictionary: http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/dictionary/ Election 2002: http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/election.links/2002/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "As you have the power, sir, to do some service to letters, I implore you not to clip the wings of our writers so closely, nor turn into barndoor fowls those who, allowed a start, might become eagles; reasonable liberty permits the mind to soar--slavery makes it creep." -- Voltaire [A Letter To A First Commissioner] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it. -P.J. O'Rourke -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There may not be an 'I' in team, but there is an 'I' in Libertarian (in fact 2)" -- Gölök Buday, April of 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...I would have wished that no one in the state that could claim he was above the law, and that no one from outside the state could dictate a law [Fuck the UN] that the state was obliged to recognize. For regardless of how the government is formally constituted, if there is a single man not subject to the law, all the others are necessarily at that man' mercy." -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau; To The Republic Of Geneva: Discourse On Inequality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...It follows that if in such a fortunate situation it (the country/ state) would have nothing to fear but itself, and if citizens were trained in arms, it would be more for maintaining that soldiery spirit and noble courage that are so well suited for freedom and cultivate the taste for it rather than from the necessity for it's citizens' actual defence. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau; To The Republic Of Geneva: Discourse On Inequality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom can only exist if all laws apply to all people." -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau; possible paraphrase. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Think, it's not illegal yet." -- George Clinton -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Press That Is Not Free Isn't A Press At All" -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Government, Of All Things, Is To Be Questioned And Inspected" -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "At The Very Least, Insanity Isn't Unsanitary" -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "it is an abomination for a person's tax dollars to be used to further a faith to which he does not subscribe. You want to pray, go to church. Nobody's objecting." -- Thomas Jefferson -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am the first Prime Minister of this country of neither altogether English nor French origin. So I determined to bring about a Canadian citizenship that knew no hyphenated consideration." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, March 29, 1958, Maclean's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We shall never build the nation which our potential resources make possible by dividing ourselves into Anglophones, Francophones, multiculturalphones, or whatever kind of phoneys you choose. I say: Americans, first, last, and always!" - Gölök Buday, Purposely misquoting the Chiefs Quote For His Own Agenda (2002). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, March 11, 1958 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "As long as there is a drop of blood in my body they won't stop me from talking about freedom." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, June 3, 1962, Sudbury, Ontario. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom includes the right to say what others may object to and resent... The essence of citizenship is to be tolerant of strong and provocative words." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, April 9, 1970, House of Commons. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I Am A Surrealists" -- What Salvador Dali Said When Asked Why He Didn't Belong To The Surrealists (this may be true, regarding why actors tend not to belong to the Group of Actors and Libertarians don't always belong to the Libertarian Party.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I prefer to go to church, not have church come to me." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's almost as if he [Bill Clinton] spent 8 years pissing all over the presidency and on his last day went, 'oh! missed a spot." -- Lewis Black on Rich Pardon, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Honesty Makes An Opinion Important, Dishonesty Makes It Irrelevant (unimportant even)" -- Gölök Buday; 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "An Opinion, Like An Axe, Is Only As Good As The Person Who Wields It." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Value Of A Comment Derives From The Honesty Of The Orator And/Or Writer." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Height Of Genius Is The Ability To Conceal It." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Brevity is the soul of wit." -- William Shakespeare (hard to believe, I know.). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There Is A Difference Between Community Involvement and Being Involved (Or A Part Of) In A Community." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We trained hard but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing. And what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing inefficiency, confusion and demoralization. -- Gaius Petronius Arbiter, 1st century AD; Satyricon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If You Have A Lawsuit, Your Goods, Your Honor, Your Very Life Depends On The Very Interpretation Of A Book You Never Read." -- Francois "Voltaire" Marie Arouet; Phil. Dictionary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Suppression Of A Word Is What Gives It Power." -- Lenny Bruce. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Window Peepers, Authoritarians In General, Tend To Be The Biggest Scoundrels." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes, It's Not A Good Idea To Listen For, But A Good Question." -- Gölök Buday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Small Government's A Start" -- Gölök Buday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Funny how diversity is ok unless it's of opinion or philosophical." -- Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday; On "Divisive Opinions and Issues;" December 2nd, 2002. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PS I am not, nor have been, known as Grant Buday PPS Not Che from che-lives.com † Download Free Agent http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/ftp/freeagent.32bit-1.21/fa32-121.exe Free Agent Product PageFree Agent Product Page http://www.forteinc.com/agent/freagent.htm Non-ISP News Server news://rsl2.rslnet.net/ Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/ Closet Libertarian™, Black Magus™, Bible Thumper™, Blow Load™, The Voltairian™, Black Jester™, Riley Bitterman™, Pyromaniac of Madison Country and any other origional works are trademarks of Gölök Buday and all Constitutional and Intellectual Rights Are Reserved. 171 Lines As Opposed To 1300 Lines on Sig File. 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