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From: Tavish
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.usa,alt.fan.g-gor
Subject: Re: CLASSIC REPOST: Congrats to Tavish for proving Paul Kneisel is Peter Outer
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:20:57 -0600
Organization: none
References:
Tavish wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:03:48 -0500,
>Paul Kneisel wrote:
>
>>Bradbury's post, included below for reference, is a most useful
>>publication.
>>
>>Having reposted accounts documenting the many times he was informed that
>>Peter Outerbridge and I are two different people, he cannot meaningfully
>>claim that he "didn't know" or that he "overlooked something," or that he
>>made a "honest mistake."
>
>You, yourself, spoke as Peter Outerbridge which I showed in this very post:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=j6vprtsvi4pggkotoulfv4ko1rgap3faj2%404ax.com&outpu
>From: Paul Kneisel
>Subject: Re: Brandon Orr In Vogue: The Fascist As Necro-Sexist...
>Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 00:21:41 GMT
>
>For all of Bradbury's hype, he knows that I am not Peter Outerbridge, that
>Peter Outerbridge is not me, and that Peter Outerbridge is not responsible
>for any of my actions.
>
>But Bradbury will bluster about all manner of things that he knows to be
>false.
>
>Of course I deny that, as Peter Outerbridge, there "is a wall of bricks"
>about to fall on me.
>
>Bradbury also wrote, ostensibly about Peter Outerbridge, that "Everyone you
>rake over the coals with your smears is demonized as a fascist by you!"
>
>Well, since I only rake fascists over the coals --
>
> ~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
>
>Looks like to me you are speaking as Peter Outerbridge!!
>
BTW Peter, I forgot to add this to my reply:
Before you try to sue me you should sue VeriSign because it is THEY- NOT ME who
has revealed in public domain what YOU gave as information for your domain name
of ANTI-FASCISM.ORG. I was not there holding your hand so I am not at fault what
YOU gave as information on YOUR application which YOU submitted to NYCT.NET as I
show here. Anyone clicking the link will see that it is Verisign who
authenticates the information you gave Peter and not me!
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=anti-fascism.org&SearchType=do&STRING2.
(Verified by VeriSign December 7, 2002)
Registrant:
anti-fascism.org (ANTI-FASCISM-DOM)
200 East Tenth Street #603
New York
NY,10003 US
Domain Name: ANTI-FASCISM.ORG
Administrative Contact:
Outerbridge, Peter (PO815) tallpaul@NYCT.NET
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
anti-fascism.org
200 East Tenth Street #603
New York, NY 10003
212-568-6690
Technical Contact:
Network Administration (NA291-ORG) hostmaster@NYCT.NET
New York Connect
317 Madison Ave Room 907
New York, NY 10017
US 212-293-2620
Fax- - 212-293-2628
Record expires on 20-Dec-2002.
Record created on 19-Dec-1997.
Database last updated on 9-Dec-2002 10:20:26 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
BSD1.NYCT.NET 216.139.128.3
BSD2.NYCT.NET 216.139.128.4
That belongs to the person who is the registrant
administrative contact and that is Peter Outerbridge NOT Paul Kneisel!!
You should also consider suing YOUR own ISP for also identifying
is Peter Outerbridge instead of Paul Kneisel as
the following e-mail indicates.
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To: XXXX@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Your client positively will not stop his defamation against me
References: <3.0.3.32.20021113093218.009a8b10@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Dear Mr. Bradbury,
It is NOT the policy of this ISP to be involved in Internet Users
NETIQUETTE. I will however pass your displeasure onto Peter Outerbridge.
I would ask that he respect all Internet users right to privacy.
Sincerely,
Andrew Coren, Ceo.
BTW why is a "Paul Kneisel" threatening a lawsuit instead of "Peter
Outerbridge?" Answer: YOU ARE PETER OUTERBRIDGE AND YOU ARE THROWING A FIT SINCE
I POINTED IT OUT!
As for you being a communist-- it is no libel and from your own postings and web
site content and links to communists (and them linking to you) it is obvious
that YOU are a communist!
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ainjrf%241365%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu&output
From: Paul Kneisel
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Subject: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 -- 6:38
Date: 5 Aug 2002 23:38:07 -0500
__________________________________________________________________________
The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 6 August 2002
Vol. 6, Number 38 (#681)
__________________________________________________________________________
"...It is our strategy that participation and intervention in these struggles,
from an anarchist-communist viewpoint... Slowly building a base for a truly mass
revolutionary anarchist movement capable of defeating not only fascist
organizations but also the combined forces of capital and the state...
What is the solution to fascism? Anarchist social revolution!"
YOUR WORDS PETER AND YOUR POSTING DID NOT ATTRIBUTE THAT CALL FOR REVOLUTION TO
ANYONE ELSE!!! When you state: "revolutionary anarchist movement capable of
defeating not only fascist organizations but also the combined forces of capital
and the state" many people will perceive you are speaking of a communist revolt
because you did admit having "an anarchist-communist viewpoint." Looks like you
are inciting a big Federal Crime! If you don't like America then you should get
out and be sure to take Alec Baldwin and Barbra Streisand with you!
From YOUR own web domain ANTI-FASCISM.ORG:
http://www.anti-fascism.org/page-links-trad.html
Traditional Anti-Fascist Groups
Fascism victimized many groups with its crimes against humanity...
Three groups, however, understood the special nature of fascism even before it
took power... They were, respectively, the labor movement, the socialists, and
the communists.
<>
The Second 'Socialist' International
http://www.socialistinternational.org/
Reflecting the politics of the Third 'Communist' International
http://www.yclusa.org/links/wrldlink.html
World Communist Movement Links
The communist movement of youth, students and young workers is on the move in
most countries today. Check out the activities of communist youth organizations
from this partial list of links.
Link Notes
Kommunistischer Studentinn/ en Verband (KSV) Communist Students Union of Austria
Kommunistische Jugend Österreichs (KJÖ) Communist Youth of Austria
Coletius de Juventut Comunista de Catalunya (CJC) Communist Youth of Catalonia
Juventud Comunista Colombiana (JUCO) Colombian Young Communists
United Democratic Youth Organization of Cyprus (EDON)
Kommunistisk Parti i Danmark Ungdom (KPID-U) Youth of the Communist Party in
Denmark
Mouvement Jeunes Communistes du France (MCJF) Movement of Young Communists of
France
Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterjugend (SDAJ) Socialist German Workers Youth
Communist Youth of Greece (KNE)
Workers Youth Party of Ireland (WPY)
Giovani Communisti /e (GC) Young Communists of Italy
Democratic Youth League of Japan (DYLJ)
Norges Kommunistiske Ungdomsforbund (NKU) Norwegian Communist Youth Union
Juventude Comunista Portuguesa (JCP) Portugese Communist Youth.
Sveriges Kommunistiska Ungdomsförbund (SKU) Swedish Communist Youth Union
Union de Juventudes Communistas de España Union of Young Communists of Spain
AND here is the New York State Communist Party USA linking to "Paul Kneisel's"
anti-fascism.org web site:
http://www.dezines.com/nyscpusa/tocpage.html
New York State Communist Party USA
Anti-Fascist Web Site
Fascism, the most evil child of capitalism, threatens all working class people
and all progressive organizations... To see how we can fight fascism, please
read the articles on the following web and FTP sites:
http://www.anti-fascism.org
ftp://ftp.nyct.net/pub/users/tallpaul/publish/misc/
Who other than a communist has such views as these or endorses such:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4b61ru4nhbn5pakn88k7p89c2bu1fa3rgn%404ax.com&output
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tue, 15 October 2002 -- 6:58 (#706)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:32:07 -0400
"-- Call for a Revolutionary Anti-Fascist Bloc... Perhaps five hundred
anti-fascist demonstrators were there... Most of the demonstrators were part of
leftist groups like Left Turn, InternationalSocialist Organization (ISO), and
Anti-Capitalist Convergence (ACC)....
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=aanq90%24pfu%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu&output=
From: Paul Kneisel
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Subject: TINAF Supplement #188 (#677): Fascist Le Pen and the French
Date: 30 Apr 2002 23:17:36 -0500
"The hope it's also the youth which fights massively against the capitalist
globalization and the fascism. I address all the left voters, the socialists,
the environmentalist communists but also the associative, union activists to
organize a popular resistance on the way up of the extreme right, in a big
all together against the fascism and the employers."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8lbjkucvi5f54ieop8p9svtq6g6fpo208o%404ax.com&output
From: Paul Kneisel
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
Subject: Re: WV Did NOT Lie about the anti-Klan rally
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:57:39 -0400
"Diamond must mean neofascist Russia, neofascist because it worships
capitalist technology.."
Is "Paul Kneisel" upset because the Russians forsook their communism!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6k1vf0%241pc2%241%40news.missouri.edu&output=gplain
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: (en) The Internet Anti-Fascist: Sun, 17 May 98--2:30 (#113)
Date: 1998/05/21
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
[...]
NEW FINISH ANTI-FASCIST WEB SITE
The Anti-Fascist Action in Finland has new WWW pages at address
. We hope you visit there!
Yours in Solidarity,
Antifascist Action -- Finland
Against Racism, Sexism, Capitalism and Homophobia
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Anti-fascism is equated with being against capitalism!!
Here is "Paul Kneisel" advocating schools educate against anti-communism among
other things (who other than a communist would be against being
anti-communist?):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=x3F13.898%24G3.28089%40news13.ispnews.com&output=gp
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: (en)[excerpts] The Internet Anti-Fascist, Fri 14 May 99 -- 3:36/37
(#264-265)
Date: 1999/05/22
"The prescription for the political illness of fascism is education...
Teachers, school administrators, students and parents need to recognize
and talk frankly about the dangers posed by fascist organizers in their
midst or on the internet... [T]he response should be.. why the whole student
body has an interest in taking a stand against... anti-communism, "
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=rvq6sts9efv3ctqnivdr45614cl3jri1oh%404ax.com&output
From: Paul Kneisel
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.government.abuse,alt.politics.usa
Subject: Re: UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS AND WHAT NEXT?
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 21:40:58 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.168.78.220
"Considering that 99% of the attackers hold extreme anti-communist views,
don't you think we at least have a right to scrutinize conservatives.."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jjSDOiu99iZtjEszBNIv8M1%3D3Gjv%404ax.com&output=gpl
From: Paul Kneisel
Newsgroups: alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.revisionism,alt.history,alt.anarchism
Subject: Re: Donald as Stalin: Spot the join (was Re: Donald's Paranoid
Anti-Communism)
Organization: http://www.anti-fascism.org
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 00:15:18 GMT
"...As anti-communists they continue to do this with virtually the exact words
and tones... I've also seen a similar process develop in parts of the
perhaps-misnamed anarchist movement where the entire focus was on Trotsky over
just about every conceivable matter of things that a rather wiggy person could
find. Then they also go hard anti-communist... in favor of a straightforward
rightwing anti-communism."
The opposite of anti-communism (which you evidently detest) is pro-communism!!
Care to deny it?
Here is Peter Outerbridge giving a solid hint at his sexual orientation seeing
how he describes capitalism in a pseudo-intellectual twaddle:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pen-l/jan98/0071.html
Psycho-dynamics of Homo Economicus
Sun, 04 Jan 1998 00:48:08 -0500
Paul Kneisel (tallpaul@nyct.net)
My own researches in this area, though, initially centered on the anal
theory of money and the anal character. Specific work involved the changes
in the class and sub-class identifications of the anal character as key
industrial dynamics underwent internal changes (e.g. the identification of
the anal character with the early bourgeoisie to the later identification
with remaining entrepreneurs and the petty bourgeoisie.)
Recently my interests have been around the transformation question as
examined in Vol. II of Capital and elsewhere. The intense intra-firm and
intra-industry competition around the transformation problem has given rise
to a particular real world phenomenon with massive impact on internal
psycho-dynamics.
The shift in the industrial dynamic from accumulation to transformation has
also produced significant shifts in characterology, from the compulsive
saving/hoarding anal character to the impulsive discharging/spending
urethral character.
Ironically, urethral eroticism has become the fourth lost libido in
classical psychoanalysis. While my interest in psychoanalysis is
anthropological and not therapeutic, urethral aspects of early theories of
narcissism were never examined. Nor have even the therapeutic-oriented
psychoanalysis investigated such areas for the treatment of narcissistic
and borderline conditions that afflict (or are afflicted by) late
capitalism they way that Victorian society produced sexual hysterics.
Peter Outerbridge showing his views again:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2rckstkv3ut27b8dh8b41u93mbodar27io%404ax.com&output
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: Re: A Response to Burnore
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:26:01 GMT
"The "net cops" (in the good sense) focus their efforts on the worst
problem. They don't look for political spam; they search for spam whose
content is sexual or reflects cockroach-capitalism..."
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck then it's a duck
AND also if you act like a communist, talk like a communist and use their
lexicon then you must be a communist! You are also judged by the company you
keep and known communists constantly pat you on your back and link to you such
as the New York State Communist Party USA did above and what your fellow
travelers do below and there are many more examples too! STILL WANT TO SUE ME
PETER OUTERBRIDGE? I will make you look stupid as all get out and I will counter
sue and bust your bank account for malicious prosecution and yes-- you must file
in MY jurisdiction AND I do have the right to be judged by MY peers!
See you in court you communist!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=hp834ukao8gq8ftmjemmd7i9p1vm4sv3dl%404ax.com&output
From: Paul Kneisel
Subject: Protest Against RR: FSP
Freedom Socialist Party
International Executive Committee -- Solidarity Salon, 580 Sydney Road,
Brunswick Vic 3056 AUSTRALIA -- Phone/fax: 61-3-9388-0062
24 November 2001
Mr. Greg Powell
Head of Security
Time Warner Cable / RoadRunner New York
Dear Mr. Powell
I'm writing on behalf of the International Executive Committee of the
Freedom Socialist Party which represents the sections of our socialist
feminist party in Australia, Canada and the United States of America to
protest about the decision by Road Runner to stop providing service to
anti-fascist activist, Paul Kneisel.
We understand that the decision to pull his service is the result of a
campaign of fascist cyberstalking.
We are extremely concerned that RoadRunner has capitulated to this tactic
by the right wing and urge you to reinstate Mr Kneisel's service
immediately.
Yours sincerely
Alison Thorne
International Executive Committee Coordinator
PROOFS SOCIALISM IS A TRANSITORY STAGE TO COMMUNISM:
www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm
"Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for
use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized
planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of
the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of
socialism... Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the
productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual
outlook of the people. It is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to
communism..."
www.workerspower.com/wpglobal/transitiontocommunism.html
Workers Power Global | Marxism for Beginners
Transition to communism
Karl Marx was not the first to condemn capitalism for the poverty and
inequality that it creates, neither was he the first to fight for a society in
which poverty and inequality would be eradicated. But he was the first to
realise that capitalism itself would create the forces capable of overthrowing
it...
Socialism, understood as a society in which the economy was socially
owned and output was shared equally, would not be created, fully developed,
separate from existing capitalist society. Instead, in historic terms, there
would be a period during which capitalist society would be transformed into
socialist society, a “transitional” period...
Marx’s political strategy, therefore, had to begin from this
understanding of society; the means of production for a better society already
existed, the working class needed that better society but the capitalists,
protected by the state, were determined to prevent any change. His first attempt
to develop a way of overthrowing this minority was presented in the Communist
Manifesto of 1848.
In the Manifesto, Marx not only delivered a devastating attack on
capitalism but set out the measures that a working class government, brought to
power by a democratic revolution, would need to take to begin the transition to
socialism.
These included the abolition of private ownership of land, a progressive
tax to drain away the wealth of the capitalists, the centralisation of credit in
a national bank, state ownership of transport and communications, planned
extension of production to meet need and free state education for all
children...
Marx, therefore, further refined the concept of a “transition society”
and introduced the idea that the development of communist society would take
place in two phases. In the first stage, “socialism” as he called it, the
commune state was still necessary both to defeat all attempts at
counter-revolution and to reconstruct the international economic system on an
egalitarian and planned basis.
This, Marx called, the “dictatorship of the proletariat”. Dictatorship
is frequently counterposed to democracy. Yet for Marx the concept of
dictatorship was necessary and justified. Indeed, it was a very democratic
dictatorship...
How long this transition would take was not predictable but Marx pointed
out that the more successful the commune was the less necessary it would become.
Once the bourgeoisie had been eliminated as a class, for example, there would be
no need for military organisation or defence expenditure.
In the longer term, the transition would be completed when society no
longer needed a political force, a state of any sort, in order to organise
production and distribution.
Administration would still be necessary but in an egalitarian society
this would not involve the subordination of one part of the population by
another, it would no longer be “political”. This would be communist society.
The above was in their own words people!!!
HERE IS PETER OUTERBRIDGE REFERENCING BETHUNE INSTITUTE AS AN "ANTI-FASCIST" ORG
AND BETHUNE INSTITUTE LINKING TO PETER OUTERBRIDGE AKA PAUL KNEISEL:
(Note Bethune Institute is a front for communists!)
This is from Peter Outerbridge's aka Paul Kneisel's ANTI-FASCISM.ORG web site:
http://www.anti-fascism.org/
Document Archives
Anti-fascist theory
http://www.anti-fascism.org/doc-af-prop.html
The above will take you to this (and others too):
Lethbridge, David (Bethune Institute for Anti-Fascist Studies) -- see also
Lethbridge writings in "tactics" archive
"Prescription For Fascism: Alternative Medicine and Right-Wing Politics, March
2001 http://www.anti-fascism.org/da/afp/lethbridge-perscription.html
Just who is Peter Outerbridge';s fellow "anti-fascist" and apparent mentor?
Here is what the Bethune Institute returns on David Lethbridge (schill for
communist Norman Bethune):
[Links active December 7, 2002 for verification]
http://bethuneinstitute.org/
This site is dedicated to the militant anti-fascist spirit of Dr. Norman
Bethune.
http://bethuneinstitute.org/index2.html
Once at the index click to read (left hand margin bottom):
BETHUNE:
"Dr. Norman Bethune was born in Gravenhurst, Ontario, in 1890...
After a visit to the Soviet Union, in 1935, he organized the Montreal
Group for the Security of the People's Health, the first organization in Canada
to fight for socialized medicine and universal free medical care. It was in that
same year he joined the Communist Party of Canada and dedicated himself to the
struggle against fascism...
In 1938, Bethune went to China to help Mao-Tse Tung's revolutionary army
defeat the Japanese imperialists... <> As a Communist, he fought against fascism
and won the gratitude of the working class of the whole world..."
Thus we see one of Peter Outerbridge's aka Pai=ul Kneisel's mentors as being a
communist.
At the same index click to read (left hand margin bottom):
LINKS:
Political Parties
Communist Party of Canada (CPC)
Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
South African Communist Party(SACP)
Anti-fascist and Anti-racist Organizations
Arm the Spirit(ATS)
Anti-Racist Action (ARA)
Political Research Associates (PRA)
Anti-Fascism.org http://www.anti-fascism.org/
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[...]
"Let us have done, then, with the miserable deception of anti-communism. It has
served Hitler and Mussolini well, but not the enslaved German and Italian
people. It may have a pleasing sound in Tory ears, and salve the consciences of
some spinsterish British labor leaders, but it is rank dishonesty nevertheless."
Dr. Norman Bethune
Thus we see another communist front linking to Peter Outerbridge aka Paul
Kneisel. It would seem any anti-communist is a fascist in Bethune's mind.
I guess all the refugees who escape communist dictatorships are fascists because
they universally despise their former masters.
BTW if YOU aren't a communist then why do you eulogize your obvious fallen
comrades. If a person were to do such concerning Nazis then wouldn't he be
considered a Nazi or at least a Nazi sympathizer? (You are a communist though
because you spoke these words in first person: "...It is our strategy that
participation and intervention in these struggles, from an anarchist-communist
viewpoint..."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=alp43j%24qi0%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu&output=
From: Paul Kneisel
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Subject: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tue, 10 September 2002 -- 6:46
Date: 11 Sep 2002 23:10:27 -0500
OBITUARY:
02) French War Hero, Resistance Leader Rol-Tanguy Dies
9 Sep 02
PARIS -- French war hero and Communist activist Henri Rol-Tanguy, a leading
figure in the armed resistance against Nazi occupation during World War II,
has died, the Communist Party said on Monday...
"We will all miss him, but no one will forget his example," the Communist
Party's national secretary and president, Marie-George Buffet and Robert
Hue, said in a published letter to Tanguy's wife, Cecile, who survives him.
Born in the northwest coastal town of Morlaix in 1908 to a junior navy
officer and a laundrywoman, Tanguy developed a strong interest in politics
and after moving to Paris aged 15 to start work as a foundryman he joined
the Young Communists.
After retiring from the army in 1962, he turned to politics again and was a
member of the central committee of the French Communist Party from 1964 to
1987.
"With Rol, we lose a man of exception whose whole existence was a fight for
justice, progress and liberty," said Buffet and Hue.
Tanguy died overnight. He was 94.
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Here is another obituary "Paul Kneisel" posted in honor of his fellow fallen
comrades. If "Paul Kneisel" isn't an admirer of communists then why does he dote
on their deaths?
http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/2000IV/msg03883.html
The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 19 Dec 2000 -- 4:102 (#498)
by Paul Kneisel
21 December 2000 03:29 UTC
[...]
OBITUARY
Ralph Bates: Writer who kept his devotion to republican Spain alive in
his novels Valentine Cunningham (Guardian) 12 Dec 00
Ralph Bates, who has died in New York, aged 101, was the oldest
survivor of that legendary group of British writers who gave their energies,
their writings, and - in some cases - their lives to the cause of the
Spanish republic in its doomed fight against fascism in the 1930s.
At some point in the 15 years before the Spanish civil war broke out
in 1937, he was a communist trade union agitator and organiser in the
docks and fishing industries of Catalonia, where he became a fluent speaker
of Spanish and Catalan. His knowledge of Spanish working-class and
peasant life would turn him into one of the Comintern's best experts on Spain.
....By 1923 he had joined the Communist party....
In 1937, Bates was sent by the Communist party to the United States to
drum up financial support and attract more volunteers. There were huge
rallies in venues such as Madison Square Gardens, and he became a darling of
the American left...
In one of his best Spanish pieces, Compa Sagasta Burns A Church,
published in Left Review in October 1936, Bates pays understanding
tribute to the Spanish anarchist's need to calmly burn out the signs and
symbols of religious oppression; he was very ready to go along with what WH
Auden called "the necessary murder" in a revolutionary cause. But he also
dwells compellingly on the fatalism of anarchists - the belief that, at
bottom, anarchism, "noble, just and beautiful", is "unrealizable" and
therefore doomed.
When he wrote this, Bates's line was that, by contrast, communism was
not only noble but also realisable...
Didn't communists burn churches in Russia and other places too Peter?
Only communists speak as you do Peter Outerbridge and any jury of my peers will
think so too! It is obvious you are NOT a George Bush Republican!!
---
"If communism and fascism both lead to the same end, ie. totalitarianism, Why is
it that anyone who challenges and exposes international fascism is "good", and
anyone who challenges and exposes international communism is "bad"?"
http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/comweb.htm
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