From: Vince Brannigan
Subject: Re: [NEWS]: Probe: U.S. Knew of Jet Terror Plots
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:27:08 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:27:08 EDT
"Fred J. McCall" wrote:
> Vince Brannigan wrote:
> :"Fred J. McCall" wrote:
> :> :Well you will have to substantiate your claim with some source other than Ipse Dix
> :> Nonsense. In a discussion with you I can merely claim that your words
> :> mean whatever I please and that, therefore, EVERYTHING you say is an
> :> insult.
> :> After all, you seem to think it works for you....
> :I have never suggested that words mean what I say they mean. The meaning of words is
> :negotiation process.
> But how do you negotiate, if the words you use to negotiate ALSO don't
> have any meanings?
This is the philosophical problem Wittgenstein studied, as one cite give s it
In Philosophical Investigations Sect. 90 Wittgenstein says:
Our investigation is a grammatical one. Such an investigation sheds light on our pro
clearing misunderstandings away. Misunderstandings
concerning the use of words, caused, among other things, by certain analogies betwe
forms of expression in different regions of language.
The similarities between the sentences "I'll keep it in mind" and "I'll keep it in this
instance, (along with many others) can lead one to think of the mind as a thing somethin
box with contents of its own. The nature of this box and its mental contents can then se
mysterious. Wittgenstein suggests that one way, at least, to deal with such mysteries is
the different things one says about minds, memories, thoughts and so on, in a variety of
contexts. What one says, or what people in general say, can change. Ways of life and us
language change, so meanings change, but not utterly and instantaneously. Things shift a
but rarely if ever so drastically that we lose all grip on meaning. So there is no timel
essence of at least some and perhaps all concepts, but we still understand one another w
most of the time.
> :I think your actions and mine speak for themselves, both logically and in he nature o
> Yes, I think they do, too. That's why you should stop claiming they
> say things that they do not.
> But then, that's what you do, isn't it? Pretend words mean what they
> don't mean to make things appear as you wish them to.
There is a rich scholarship on this field.
perhaps you might find some sources in it useful